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Old 02-06-2020, 06:22 AM   #1
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87% humiity, 20F, wind 6 mph real feel 13F

and I used cammies, the bugnet bags wrapped around my legs, a thick vest to simulate the armor, the balaclava, cammies, 1 pair fo foot wraps, the shemaugh around my neck, heavy gloves, the hammock around my chest (inside of cammies, like the bugnets) "breathable' mylar drawstring hood, Kept my head out of the bags, removed the pad and sleeping bag i normall have under me. used a daypack full of dried grass to lean back upon, sat on a drum liner of grass, had my feet on the buttpack full of grass. the packs were between the nonbreathable mylar and the breathable Escape mylar. The drumliner full of grass was outside of my bagsThe other drum liner was inside of my bag, covering me from feet to armpits, 17 of such contractor's trash bags are $10 at wally's. It sufficed to sleep, with a sedative, on my side, When I woke, tho, it was considerably more comfortable to be in the seated-reclining position. It would have been a lot handier to have had my winter parka, put my feet and lower legs into the hood, wrap the sleeves around my feet and lower legs, and covered myself to my hips in that manner. My torso was not cold, in the seated position, even tho nearly all of the grass was down around my legs. So yes, the system can handle 20F and let me sleep. Such conditions are plenty nasty enough to prevent anyone from searching much. and i'd hear them for certain, on this crunchy snow that we've got. So the silenced, subsonic 22lr autoloader would suffice to brain 2-3 of them, making the remainder of them want to leave the area

Having to use two of the (much too small) Escape bivvies, trimmed a bit, adds quite a bit of weight, over the absorbent painter's drop cloth, but having it be waterproof and less prone to catching fire, and certainly not going to eventually soak thru from condensation made it worth the extra 1/2 lb. Had I not been able to find dry debris, i'd have had to resort to the discreted Dakota fire pit and heated water, or the UCO lantern/beeswax and exercise, until the greenhouse effect of the sun , mylar and clear plastic warmed things 20F degrees and thus, let me sleep ok. for the day.

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Old 02-06-2020, 07:19 AM   #2
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I have some bad news for you - a thick vest is a lot warmer than body armor is. body armor has the magical ability to make you miserably hot in hot weather, and miserably cold in freezing weather. Insulation it is not.

the rest of your post seems silly, but maybe pictures would help. either you or your wife must own a cell phone with a camera.

I just think of all the time and energy you would have to spend gathering up your dried grass, leaves, etc to assemble this chimera, nightmare arrangement. What happens if you're caught in an area where none of those things are available? or you have to try and do this in the dark?

I'll just roll out my ground pad, and my sleeping bag and call it a night. two minutes to set up, two minutes to put away. very little energy expended. don't have to worry about foraging for sleeping materials. if I have to get up and flee, just stuff everything between the pack and frame (where the load shelf is) and go, can properly stow it later.

I'm not wrapped up in stuff that would hamper my movements, or get caught on stuff if I'm moving quickly and quietly through the woods.

ETA: would it really be that difficult to keep all of these posts in a single thread? it looks deranged strewn all over the place like this.
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Old 02-06-2020, 08:01 AM   #3
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that was 2:30 to 7:30. I shed the net wraps, inside of the cammies (which are considably warmer than T shirt and blue jeans) and instead used a drum liner around each leg, laying the bag flat, wrapping and taping it, and wrapping another liner around my toros, All the liners were outside of my cammies. It got up to 25Fm, but the real feel was 19, and I was in the back of the metal van. So it had not warmed up much. This sufficed, too, so there's no reason to bother with the debris. My feet got cold ,so the next thing will be to try a mylar wrap around my feet and just regular socks, with just the coat. I did change my head set up, too, tho. I got my head inside of the bags, rolled up the shemaugh, made a circle of it aorund my face and pressed it up to the breathing hole. I think it did a better job of sealing than the zipper around my neck, and having my head inside helped with the warmth. i am confident that the net wraps around legs and torso, , the drum liners around my lets, the 2 mylar bags, (tented) the armor, the seated reclining position, (on the emptied out buttpack and the daypack, suffice at 20F. Excercise and the UCO candle will handle 10F, and by the time the candles run out, I'll have set up the gravity fed Dakota pit and be heating water bottles. So I can sleep at 10F (given some seditives). When it's colder, I can have the projected, one way heat of a Siberian fire lay. Nobody's going to be bothering anyone at night when it's that cold. I'll be moving at night anyway and movement is worth 20F degrees. I expected the cammies to get damp inside of the barrel liners, but they did not. They are treated vs mild rain (or so I'v read).
 
 
Old 02-06-2020, 09:32 AM   #4
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Getting sick an tired of hearing this same ****ing bull**** everyday, nonsense is all it is. NORMAL PEOPLE DO NOT LIVE ON BAGS OF GRASS OR GARBAGE. Get a life!

Who in their right mind would want to live wrapped up in garbage bags.

Just about ready for the looney bin, just a matter of time.
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Old 02-06-2020, 11:17 AM   #5
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that was 2:30 to 7:30. I shed the net wraps, inside of the cammies (which are considably warmer than T shirt and blue jeans) and instead used a drum liner around each leg, laying the bag flat, wrapping and taping it, and wrapping another liner around my toros, All the liners were outside of my cammies. It got up to 25Fm, but the real feel was 19, and I was in the back of the metal van. So it had not warmed up much. This sufficed, too, so there's no reason to bother with the debris. My feet got cold ,so the next thing will be to try a mylar wrap around my feet and just regular socks, with just the coat. I did change my head set up, too, tho. I got my head inside of the bags, rolled up the shemaugh, made a circle of it aorund my face and pressed it up to the breathing hole. I think it did a better job of sealing than the zipper around my neck, and having my head inside helped with the warmth. i am confident that the net wraps around legs and torso, , the drum liners around my lets, the 2 mylar bags, (tented) the armor, the seated reclining position, (on the emptied out buttpack and the daypack, suffice at 20F. Excercise and the UCO candle will handle 10F, and by the time the candles run out, I'll have set up the gravity fed Dakota pit and be heating water bottles. So I can sleep at 10F (given some seditives). When it's colder, I can have the projected, one way heat of a Siberian fire lay. Nobody's going to be bothering anyone at night when it's that cold. I'll be moving at night anyway and movement is worth 20F degrees. I expected the cammies to get damp inside of the barrel liners, but they did not. They are treated vs mild rain (or so I'v read).

more bad news for you - people move around in sub-zero temperatures all the time. Plus, you said you'd be moving at night, in the cold - so it should stand to reason that people better equipped than you can and will do so.

also, what armor? be specific. are you talking about a plate carrier? soft armor? what? Because I don't think you've actually spent any time wearing it in crappy conditions.

and how far are you going to travel, at night, with all your gear? I thought you had a back problem, or knee issues - don't remember which. Have you actually done any backpacking / hiking and living out of a pack? You should actually try it sometime.

with the gear you describe, I doubt you could move silently or quickly wearing that stuff. what happens when you have to stop and rest? There's a reason you peel off layers when moving, and then add them back when you stop. can you describe how your stuff is layered, and what you will remove while moving and put on when stopped?

I still need to see pictures, because it sounds ludicrous.
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Old 02-06-2020, 01:11 PM   #6
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Next week he will be smearing the peanut butter an molasses over him an rolling in the leaves.
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Old 02-06-2020, 07:22 PM   #7
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more bad news for you - people move around in sub-zero temperatures all the time. Plus, you said you'd be moving at night, in the cold - so it should stand to reason that people better equipped than you can and will do so.

also, what armor? be specific. are you talking about a plate carrier? soft armor? what? Because I don't think you've actually spent any time wearing it in crappy conditions.

and how far are you going to travel, at night, with all your gear? I thought you had a back problem, or knee issues - don't remember which. Have you actually done any backpacking / hiking and living out of a pack? You should actually try it sometime.

with the gear you describe, I doubt you could move silently or quickly wearing that stuff. what happens when you have to stop and rest? There's a reason you peel off layers when moving, and then add them back when you stop. can you describe how your stuff is layered, and what you will remove while moving and put on when stopped?

I still need to see pictures, because it sounds ludicrous.
Like I said, no one has seen picture one posted by gunkid. It's all made up. He doesn't have any gear at all. If your short of cash, he advised begging for change. "Flying a sign" in convict speak. With a mindset like that you think he can afford gear?
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Old 02-07-2020, 05:45 AM   #8
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This fantasy is getting even more stupid with every posting. Melvin doesn't consider, weight, durability, noise, the possibility of having to go to ground in a hostile area, possible weather fluctuations. Now he's moving in the dark, in the past he mentioned that he has no need for a compass so I am doubting that he will be able to avoid walking around in circles. Melvin, tell us your current plan if the SHTF, are you going to bunker in? Are you heading to another state? How do you plan feeding yourself?
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Old 02-07-2020, 06:17 AM   #9
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Details an thoughts (at least well thought out thoughts) does not matter, he is in his own universe. Notice how he is back to shooting people with a 22.
Wonder what "wifey"thinks about all his krap, if she is still around or ever was.

Notice how he has moved this from survival to off topic section.
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Old 02-07-2020, 07:43 AM   #10
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It is all fantasy for Melvin, given his verbally demonstrated knowledge of bush craft, the first armed opponent that Melvin encounters will make mincemeat of him.
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Old 02-08-2020, 06:58 AM   #11
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......... Now he's moving in the dark, in the past he mentioned that he has no need for a compass so I am doubting that he will be able to avoid walking around in circles. Melvin, tell us your current plan if the SHTF, are you going to bunker in? Are you heading to another state? How do you plan feeding yourself?
Going in circles? If he lives long enough he'd probably end up in the exact opposite direction he wants to go.
Melvin-"Damn why is it getting colder and New Orleans don't look like what I expected at all!"
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Old 02-08-2020, 07:23 AM   #12
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Going in circles? If he lives long enough he'd probably end up in the exact opposite direction he wants to go.
Melvin-"Damn why is it getting colder and New Orleans don't look like what I expected at all!"
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