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Old 12-01-2020, 02:13 PM   #21
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...are we sure he isn't a 10 year old pretending to be an adult? it would explain a lot of things
We've interacted online for more than 20 years now (since before Y2K, if that puts it into perspective) and I personally have no doubts that he is who he says he is; a 68-year-old who's openly stated that he has dependencies on both Ambien and Trazodone. That's the reason I sometimes bring up the 'hallucinations' thing - I honestly think that could be a real factor in play here.

He was there at the Columbia conference (iirc 1976) and did go to Rhodesia in 1977. There were 10 Americans there that year, and they placed 3rd, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 13th, and 19th. Boati (gunkid, nikto, scarlett, sweetie, hardin, andy, 223fan, metoo, and a hundred other usernames) was the one in 19th place. Not belittling that, as I've never competed internationally at all; although at least one member here still does. But to claim lifelong guru status because of things done briefly, and nearly a half-century ago at that, is patently silly.

Fwiw:
https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/1...-championship/
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Old 12-01-2020, 04:50 PM   #22
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[QUOTE=Dorobuta;302627

also all the testing he did on his garbage and debris survival gear, only to back out of proving he can do any of it because he doesn't have a yard. (are we sure he isn't a 10 year old pretending to be an adult? it would explain a lot of things)[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately he's not.

The dude reminds me of the kid either in a big family or in a class that'll do or say anything to get attention.
Even negative attention.

I knew a couple of guys like that in Junior High.

Also worked with one older guy like that who if alive would be older than JMD by roughly 5 years
He definitely didn't remember the 60's.
 
Old 12-02-2020, 06:38 AM   #23
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you're fos. A lot of 30c softpoints only have 1500 fps out of a pistol barrel and it wil NOT penetrate level III soft armor. you ****s want respect and you give me **** like this? **** you.
 
 
Old 12-02-2020, 07:34 AM   #24
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My favorite from the 2010 attachment
https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/1...-championship/

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Wow, that made me feel old. Looking at the list I knew (or had met) 10 of the top 25, a few of them I knew quite well. A name that I hadn't thought of for years was #19 Davis. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that was John (Jon?) Davis of Illinois -- any of you old timers remember him??? He was a loosey/goosey guy that reminded me of John Farnham. He ran a course once on the old MPPL range in Columbia, MO where the original IPSC conference was held in 76. He drove down and slept in his car on the range. He used a real beater of a 1911 that looked like it had been dragged behind a truck down a gravel road---shot lights out though. He, like Walters, had cat-like reflexes. IIRC he got into some kind of trouble and had to give up shooting---anybody here remember him or the story?????
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Old 12-02-2020, 08:13 AM   #25
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you're fos. A lot of 30c softpoints only have 1500 fps out of a pistol barrel and it wil NOT penetrate level III soft armor.
Wow. I posted a video of that exact thing happening, in this same thread. Watch the video - it's only 82 seconds long - and you'll see it for yourself. It's from an AMT .30 carbine automag with 6.5" barrel, and defeats a IIIA vest. Because even from a pistol, it's faster than any round the IIIA is rated for. If you look at the comments, he says it runs 1640 fps from the pistol, and the IIIA isn't rated for anything at 1640, or even 1600, or 1550, or even 1500fps. Most of the loads a IIIA is rated for are less than 1400fps, and ALL of them are below 1500.

Again, watch it for yourself. It's less than a minute & a half long:
 
Old 12-02-2020, 08:44 AM   #26
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Also remember John - I posted results of my own soft-armor testing (something that you have NEVER done, at least here). Even from a lowly 9mm, the carbine-length barrel pushed four out of eight loads fast enough to defeat IIIA armor. (I documented what loads 1-7 were, but lost my notes on load #8, so in my original post I didn't include details on that one, even though it did defeat the armor.) And a 9mm isn't nearly as powerful as a .30 carbine. Also have to remember that most soft armor people actually wear is only level II or even IIA, which are both more easily defeated than this heavy IIIA vest I was using.

Test results here, posted three years ago: https://armslocker.com/rifles/61577-...oft-armor.html

In that original post I apparently just posted the data, not pics. These are the pics. Front:


Back:


You can see that loads 3, 5, 6, and 8 all penetrated the vest. And again, this was a IIIA vest (the highest soft-armor rating), and only shot with hot 9mm loads. The same vest stands no chance against the substantially faster .30 carbine round.
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Old 12-02-2020, 08:51 AM   #27
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you're fos. A lot of 30c softpoints only have 1500 fps out of a pistol barrel and it wil NOT penetrate level III soft armor...
Missed this part initially, and all I can say (again) is "wow". I'll put it in a new post because you'd likely throw a tantrum and cry 'foul' if I edited the above post.

John, I've told you this before more than once, but I'll try again. Listen carefully - There is no such thing as "level III soft armor". Got that..? Soft armor stops at lelvel IIIA, which is WORLDS away from level III. Level III is rifle armor, and IIIA is nowhere close to rifle armor.
 
Old 12-02-2020, 08:55 AM   #28
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...you ****s want respect and you give me **** like this? **** you.
No. Nobody here is trying to earn your respect. You constantly clamor for respect (think "Uncle Rico" from Napoleon Dynamite), but nobody sane is striving to earn yours.

And all I've been giving you are facts; and documented facts, for that matter.
 
Old 12-02-2020, 11:57 AM   #29
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John - while I was eating lunch I thought of this old Military Arms Channel youtube video from a couple years ago. While the .30C (even from the pistol) exceeds the velocity rating of the vest as shown in the above video, this video demonstrates that you can defeat soft armor even BELOW a velocity that it's rated for, if other variables make up for the reduced velocity.

Would you believe that an over-the-counter 200-grain FMJ at only 950 fps or so can defeat level II body armor? (Fwiw, Level II is the second-highest soft armor rating; second only to level IIIA). Short answer, yes it can - IF the bullet shape, sectional density, and construction are such that allow it to do so.

Shot is at 8:17 in the video; a Sellier & Bellot 200-grain FMJ from a 9" barrel. Bullet penetrates the body armor, penetrates 4" of clay, and hits the steel target behind it with enough remaining energy to fragment. Why? Because of sectional density, bullet construction and bullet shape. Nothing magical about the .300bk round; a hard, pointy bullet will penetrate much better than a rounded or deforming bullet at the same weight & velocity. Same reason a bolt from a crossbow or even an ice pick in a hand can penetrate soft armor that a bullet at the same velocities wouldn't stand a chance at. Armor is rated for particular velocities with particular projectiles, but changing the projectile can have the same (deadly) effect as increasing the velocity.

So here you go; unless you think the Military Arms Channel is part of some conspiracy to try & deceive you:
 
Old 12-02-2020, 12:31 PM   #30
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I guess if he thinks there's a conspiracy against him we'll have to start issuing "JJ" Numbers again maybe?

That goes back to either the early years of this place or Patriot Network around maybe 1999?
Back when he was still married to Patricia R. and both thought "JJ" was on PN under multiple ID's just to argue with them.
Couldn't fathom that several people disagreed with them on several points on different topics.
So some of us to make fun of that came up with a JJ Number to have on our signature lines.
If we start this again I'm JJ# 123.

Just explaining it to the newer members.
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Old 12-03-2020, 07:45 AM   #31
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I'd forgotten the JJ conspiracy. There was a lot of funny stuff at PN and Frugal's back then.



Come on, John/Gunkid/Boati - I've posted two videos as well as still pictures of ammo doing what you say it can't do, yet you screech that it can't do it, and follow the screeching with avoidance of the topic.

To not know that it can happen isn't anything to be ashamed of; there are things that all of us are ignorant of, and part of being a grownup is accepting and even appreciating learning new things; even things about which we previously were sure we were correct.

But to sulk about assumptions being shown wrong rather than learn from previously-unknown facts, is hugely sadder than ignorance; it's petulance, which should be out of our systems by the age of 12 or so.

So let's cut the sulking. Here's an easy opportunity to demonstrate the genius you claim - what are your thoughts on those test videos?
 
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