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Old 07-25-2004, 10:47 PM   #21
 
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There'll be the stick and carrot approach. Like the birth enumeration program. To push that along they upped the deduction for kids and then made it so you could only get it if they had an SSN.

Now, there are ways to spoof the system if you are technically savvy, haven't had an injected chip, and have access to the right gear. But if you are in a rights restricted, supervised status, where you have no choice but to receive a witnessed and verified injection, then you've got a problem.

They'll do it to the felons first, so no one will object. Then things will happen to make people afraid, like for their kids to get them chipped. They'll also make it a raging pain in the ass not to have the chip for the daily conduct of life in general.

The chip can detect body signs also, so if you're a felon and you somehow have it surgically removed, the System will know about it and probably issue an immediate arrest warrant. It'll probably be a mandatory prison sentence for anyone to assist in the removal of a chip from a felon.

You can spoof that too, but you have to be savvy to modern technology and have access to the proper gear. The new forgers of the future will be spoofing chip ID's for people.
 
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Old 07-25-2004, 11:05 PM   #22
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And since it isn't one phone, or even your phone that's doing the tracking, but all phones, you can't defeat it.
Any electronic surveillance equipment has the potential to be defeated. Given enough time the technology will be overcome, likely with a device that can either mask the signal by sending out false identification, or a device that will block the signal unless you are actual;ly using the phone.

Right now it is easy to pinpoint the users of many cell phones because they already send out signals every few seconds and they can then be located fairly easily by law enforcement officials with the right equipment. The equipment is in use on a regular basis. There are some companies whose phones are harder to track than others and one whose phones while not impossible to track ar very difficult to track. The secret to not being tracked now is to turn off the phone as you move. Sure they can find you again when it is back on, but at least you have avoided detection when traveling.

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Old 07-25-2004, 11:19 PM   #23
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What was interesting, it didn't take any special equipment. The Cellular network itself has the smarts to do the tracking.

It's all software. You don't need any fancy tracking devices. At this moment, the infrastructure isn't completely there, but it is getting there.

Some systems can determine a zone that your in, others can give the zone and the distance to the cell tower, some can pin you further, and the latest generations can get you within a few meters.

I was talking about using cell phones to report the location of someone with a chip implanted. Not of tracking an individual cell phone.

If you walked past me and you had a chip in you, my cell phone would report your location, even if you were not carrying a cell phone.

There's been a lot of research and development for information processing using a large number of distributed sensors. Each sensor itself being very crude and very limited in capabilities.

One sensor couldn't really do anything worthwhile. However put thousands or tens of thousands of them out there, and suddenly you've got a tremendous amount of information and capabilities you didn't think possible.

That's one of the potentials that cell phones offer big brother.

The same idea is being applied to the battle field, do a google for "brillant pebbles" - I think that one's public now. If not, try "smart dust".

It's getting to the point where you won't be able to spoof the technology, at least not without a lot of $$ and a lot of technology of your own.

 
 
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Here is "Brilliant Pebbles."

http://www.periscope1.com/demo/weapo.../w0003565.html

Here is "Smart Dust."

http://robotics.eecs.berkeley.edu/~pister/SmartDust/
 
Old 07-26-2004, 05:23 AM   #25
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u "figure it" STUPIDLY. You wanna TRUST those pos's, go for it. I can do far better. I have a nurse who can graft my toeprints onto my fingers. First, a half dozen cosmetic surgeons, each doing 1-2 things to my face.
Hmmm. A nurse can graft your toeprints onto your fingers. Why not have her do your face at the same time? I'm sure that she would be cheaper than a doctor and fully as competent as some I've seen. I know! You can use Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon. A little eyeliner, hair transplants and a pearl studded glove and you can pose as a rock star. The bio chip implant that you receive will proclaim to all that you are the one and only John M. 'Stud' Davis and you will receive a warm fuzzy welcome from law enforcement everywhere.

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Old 07-26-2004, 07:05 PM   #26
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I like the idea of gunkid being "chipped" like a heifer. Poetic justice actually.
 
Old 07-26-2004, 09:19 PM   #27
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I like the idea of gunkid being "chipped" like a heifer. Poetic justice actually.
Garand:
That could happen anytinme between now, and this time next year.

Hey MELVIN --dah di dah dit dah dah di dah. that is going to be your IDer!
 
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I won't support it, not even for felons.
 
Old 07-27-2004, 04:07 AM   #29
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Ditto what Magnum said.

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GK may think that I started this thread to deride him or give him a a hard time. That is not true. I really am actually warning him. They are really going to do this, and soon.

They are going to start with those on the Federal hook first. Everyone in Federal prison, on Federal parole, and on Federal probation WILL be chipped.

The States will follow the Feds lead, of course.

The ONLY way to avoid this is to drop out of sight, and probably leave the country. Find someplace with a lot of White emigres from the USA, Europe, Australia, etc, so you can fit in.

SHTF is coming a tad early for some.
 
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Mike, I thought your advice was excellent and given in good faith. IMHO a person would be very mistaken to think otherwise, especially GK.

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Old 07-27-2004, 04:29 PM   #32
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I won't support it, not even for felons.
I would support it for FELONS only! But, it will eventually be ordered for all, or you won't be able to buy, sell or anything else.

Better get your Kit and supplies together.

I don't think FELONS are GOD'S people, or they wouldn't act out like they do.

In the book of MARK, it says; Jesus speaking, "My sheep know my voice."

MELVIN has many voices in his head.
 
Old 07-27-2004, 04:38 PM   #33
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GK may think that I started this thread to deride him or give him a a hard time. That is not true. I really am actually warning him. They are really going to do this, and soon.

They are going to start with those on the Federal hook first. Everyone in Federal prison, on Federal parole, and on Federal probation WILL be chipped.

The States will follow the Feds lead, of course.

The ONLY way to avoid this is to drop out of sight, and probably leave the country. Find someplace with a lot of White emigres from the USA, Europe, Australia, etc, so you can fit in.

SHTF is coming a tad early for some.
I don't think you deride MELVIN, in any manner.

In fact you have been remarkably soft-gloved with MELVIN. Even when he acts out agains PN with his gutter mouth.

If I were asked to give an opinion, I would say, you have given MELVIN more chances, than you would anybody else. But, then that would actually be a complaint.

This thread was, is, and in the future, will be, the place where MELVIN was warned. And curiously enough, as much as I loath MELVIN, I agree with your warning him, because the FIT, is about to hit the SHAN in MELVIN"S life.
 
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