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Old 06-26-2004, 10:59 AM   #1
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Lone "backpacker" will likely die lonely death SHTF

It's just far to easy to get injured sulking around in the dark with no maps, once injured foraging will be extremely tough and he will only grow weaker with a slower recovery. Should he get hurt while trying to avoid being the guest of honor at a community hanging, hunger would be the least of his worries.

Traditionaly those that "foraged" for food lived very short lives and they were born to the life. The modern digestive tract just isn't up to the task. It won't be long till the "forager" is weakened by intestinal parasites and other problems brought on from his diet. Simple Poison Ivy or mosquito's could lead to infection without proper care and hygene. The backpacker isn't going to be able to carry what would be considered even a bare bones med kit.

Just a simple case of Giardia would be enough to kill the lone "backpacker". I've had a relatively minor case. I lost a bunch of wieght and got so weak I couldn't see straight and it took a few weeks to get completly over it with the proper antibiotics. Had I been alone and living in the wild, no med care and having to hunt my own chow, I probually would have died. Giardia is only one of many water born diseses that would be a problem.

Of course there would always the be the risk of dying of lead poisoning as well. A common ailment among thieves, just one little bitty nick by some scared husband trying to protect his families food with his 7mm mag hunting rifle would be the end of the road. Not to mention well the organized efforts that are sure to result from mass stealing.

Once a few folks are shot for thier garden produce or pig, "strangers" are going to have a tough time of it. Shoot first, talk later will again be the rule of the day. Not hard to imagine just rounding up and shooting any loner types in the area. Such scenes were not uncommon in the frontier west if "things" started going on. It's still considered rude to get out of your pick-up when you pull up to a strangers yard, till someone comes out to meet you. In the rougher days a dismounted man wandereing around the yard of a remote ranch would likely be shot.

I really don't think the life expectancy of such loner types will be all that long, in some area's they may enjoy some initial success killing Amish folks or displaced city people trying to get to some rural family memebers place. Once folks get over the initial shock of the situation though the thieves will be killed off like the wolf.

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Old 06-26-2004, 12:05 PM   #2
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IF u r stupid enough to not treat water,

cook food properly, IF you are dumb enough to not have bug dope, netting, know how and where to avoid bugs, can't spot poison ivy, etc, that WOULD be aproblem, but that's all KID stuff.



 
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Re: IF u r stupid enough to not treat water,

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cook food properly, IF you are dumb enough to not have bug dope, netting, know how and where to avoid bugs, can't spot poison ivy, etc, that WOULD be aproblem, but that's all KID stuff.
Yes but gunkid.. andy... stupe... travels at NIGHT and will not be able to avoid bugs or snakes or even SEE posion ivy, or dead falls or gopher holes, or old rusty barbed wire, or booby traps, or ambushes, or... well you get the drift. Only stupes travel alone and at night in any SHTF.
 
 
Old 06-26-2004, 12:57 PM   #4
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LOL, It's all kids stuff if you know what you are doing

Reading about it though is alot different than doing it. Did you get alot of backpacking done as a kid in IL JD? LOL

What about now? How many 7 day/75 mile plus backcounty trips have you been on?

You are pretty caviler about treating water, when you have no other way to treat it except boiling. You really think buliding all those fires is going to be a good idea? On the high plains smoke sticks out like a turd in a punch bowl. That might not be a big problem though, since without good maps and wayfinding ability getting any water is going to be touch and go in the middle of the night wandering about.

You are in for a big suprise.

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Old 06-26-2004, 11:18 PM   #5
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Gunkid, your so stupid, you don't even realize that your an idiot!
 
Old 06-27-2004, 01:11 AM   #6
 
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The 'backpacker' survivalist isn't a true nomad, he's a refugee.

The lifestyle of a nomad is sustainable. A refugee is just someone looking for a place to die by the hand of either nature or other men.
 
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The 'backpacker' survivalist isn't a true nomad, he's a refugee.

The lifestyle of a nomad is sustainable. A refugee is just someone looking for a place to die by the hand of either nature or other men.
Interesting view point, Mike. I have no doubt you're right. I never thought of it quiet that way.

Growing up between Western Montana and Eastern Washington, as I did, I know all of the Norms and Mores of country people. So with that in mind, and my four horses, I might just do well.

Teuf mention that, not getting down off of the horse, or leaving the cab of a vehicle, before being invited to. That is still a social requirement everywhere I have been. Doing anything else, even in good times, is an invitation to trouble.

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Old 07-23-2004, 07:18 AM   #8
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inept second handers have such worries.

guys like me know that EVERYONE dies alone. First handers don't NEED other people. We are not mental parasites. We are capable of original,INDEPENDENT thought. Death is what gives life MEANING. If you lived forever,there could be no happiness. Happiness comes from having achieved one's goals. PRIORIES have to be set, because life is short. If you COULD do it ALL, eventually,no priorities would be possible, anything you chose to do would be a mere whim, therefore,no happiness would accrue from having achieved anything. If everyone else lived forever, that is. If they didn't, all you could look forward to is their deaths, and your loss.



 
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...........and your lifetime goal was hanging out on someone elses nickel in CO?

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Old 07-23-2004, 08:27 AM   #10
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So after you die, what achievements that you accomplished, will people be able to look back on and talk about with pride???
 
Old 07-23-2004, 08:39 AM   #11
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guys like me know that EVERYONE dies alone. First handers don't NEED other people. We are not mental parasites. We are capable of original,INDEPENDENT thought. Death is what gives life MEANING. If you lived forever,there could be no happiness. Happiness comes from having achieved one's goals. PRIORIES have to be set, because life is short. If you COULD do it ALL, eventually,no priorities would be possible, anything you chose to do would be a mere whim, therefore,no happiness would accrue from having achieved anything. If everyone else lived forever, that is. If they didn't, all you could look forward to is their deaths, and your loss.
Except, according to many of your posts, you DO NEED OTHER PEOPLE.

Otherwise, where are you going to get all your gear and supplies? You've posted many times about ambushing people and taking their stuff.

If you don't need anyone, then how will you get your stufff?

BTW, you're not quite a parasite, because parasites don't kill their hosts, in fact, based on your stated plans, parasite would be a step up.

As far as goals and achievements, I suspect that many here are probably doing well along those lines. You can tell who's happy with their life vs who isn't just from their posts. Most people don't have to lash out at everyone with each post.

 
Old 07-23-2004, 01:13 PM   #12
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guys like me know that EVERYONE dies alone. First handers don't NEED other people. We are not mental parasites. We are capable of original,INDEPENDENT thought. [/i]
Since all you do is recycle your posts from one forum to another, please explain your ability at original thinking.


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Death is what gives life MEANING. If you lived forever,there could be no happiness.
Are you saying, your death would give our lives meaning? If so, you are probably right.


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Happiness comes from having achieved one's goals.
What are your goals MELVIN? To be as big of an ADAM HENRY as you can be. To be an irritatant in every mans life?


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PRIORIES have to be set, because life is short. If you COULD do it ALL, eventually,no priorities would be possible, anything you chose to do would be a mere whim, therefore, no happiness would accrue from having achieved anything. If everyone else lived forever, that is. If they didn't, all you could look forward to is their deaths, and your loss.
If I read this paragraph correctly, MELVIN, you are seeming to say you are acquiring GOD like powers.

However PATRICIA RYDZ, MELVINS wife is the poster here. Right Patricia? MELVIN is neither smart enough, or accomplished enough to write with this clarity.

From this last paragraph I think both MELVIN and his BLUSHING BRIDE, have several, or all of their screws loose.

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guys like me know that EVERYONE dies alone. First handers don't NEED other people. We are not mental parasites. We are capable of original,INDEPENDENT thought. [/i]
Since all you do is recycle your posts from one forum to another, please explain your ability at original thinking.


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Death is what gives life MEANING. If you lived forever,there could be no happiness.
Are you saying, your death would give our lives meaning? If so, you are probably right.


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Happiness comes from having achieved one's goals.
What are your goals MELVIN? To be as big of an ADAM HENRY as you can be. To be an irritatant in every mans life?


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PRIORIES have to be set, because life is short. If you COULD do it ALL, eventually,no priorities would be possible, anything you chose to do would be a mere whim, therefore, no happiness would accrue from having achieved anything. If everyone else lived forever, that is. If they didn't, all you could look forward to is their deaths, and your loss.
If I read this paragraph correctly, MELVIN, you are seeming to say you are acquiring GOD like powers.

However PATRICIA RYDZ, MELVINS wife is the poster here. Right Patricia? MELVIN is neither smart enough, or accomplished enough to write with this clarity.

From this last paragraph I think both MELVIN, and his BLUSHING BRIDE, have several, or all of their screws loose.

Bill
 
Old 07-23-2004, 01:18 PM   #14
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...........and your lifetime goal was hanging out on someone elses nickel in CO?

Teuf,
Nah, it's a financial transaction. MELVIN is a bought and paid for BOY-TOY.

Bill
 
Old 07-23-2004, 02:10 PM   #15
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I hope he's getting what he paid for

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Nah, it's a financial transaction. MELVIN is a bought and paid for BOY-TOY.

Bill
A bitter know-it-all like JD must be a real peach to deal with day to day.

Teuf,
 
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