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Old 06-06-2004, 10:24 AM   #1
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aint TALKING about military, dummy. The

military will do what they want, and nothing you can say or do is going to change it. Switching to Grendel, for the civilian surivvalist, is STUPID, because of the increased ammo wt and bulk, and the loss of the .22lr conversion unit, both for training and field use. You aint GOT Uncle Sugar to bring you more supplies, bail you out when you screw up, treat your wounds, etc. All you GOT is what you can CARRY, what you can FIND, and what you know how to do.



 
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Old 06-06-2004, 10:27 AM   #2
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nobddy can run-fight with more than 50

lbs on them, and there's at LEAST 35 lbs of OTHER survival gear, body armor,etc, that yoiu HAVE to lug around as a civilian survivalist. That leaves at MOST 15 lbs for guns,ammo, scope, can, bipod,pistols, mag pouches, holsters, spare parts, spare mags, etc. Guess what? That means a 308, scope, can, 1911, and NO ammo. So where you going to START pruning the weight, hmm?



 
Old 06-06-2004, 10:28 AM   #3
 
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And that is why the miliary will win every time.

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Old 06-06-2004, 10:30 AM   #4
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DROP your "non gun" gear, it's GONE,

(post shtf) The gear is probably what your attackers WANTED. The elements, animals, attackers, will get the gear, and you willl die in short order without it,in most cases. No supply lines, remember. No chopper insertions or evac, no medic, no hospital, no air strikes when you bite off more than you can chew. Just what gear you carry, what you can find, what you KNOW. The latter is VERY little, in nearly every case.



 
Old 06-06-2004, 10:40 AM   #5
 
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That's exactly why you don't go off into RAMBO world! If every individul goes out with that attitude you'll quickly be run out of the area or killed.
Group up with civilized people in your area and pool resources. Gaurd against idiots like RAMBO. Maintain what is left and if it all fails and you are left to die, then do so with compassion for your fellow man and take what comes.
I refuse to believe man will become savage in that scenario (some will, they should be eliminated). Pooling resources and grouping up is how man survived evolotion and will prevail again in the long run. Not this self preservation idiocy!
 
Old 06-06-2004, 10:58 AM   #6
 
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I can run with 100lbs. of gear on my back, maybe you're just out of shape and need to go to this placed called "outside your mom's basement."
 
Old 06-06-2004, 11:03 AM   #7
 
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He hs no clue about modern day military.
 
Old 06-06-2004, 11:21 AM   #8
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u can FOOTSLOG with 100 lbs, a FEW

CLICKS, on open, flat, solid ground. You aint going to run ANYWHERE in the brush, hills, mud, snow, you know, REALITY.? ;-) the military isnt going to do ANYTHING without an economy to support it, and 100 men can SMASH the economy in a month,if they just go at it right. They can each go into 10 grocery stores a day, for instance, with a syringe up their shirt sleeves, and "handle" 5-6 items, then leave. Just how much of that perishable food is anyone going to buy, after THOUSANSDS die from cyanide, hmm? The SAME amount as Tylenol sold after 6 kids died, that's how much. :-) Bullet holes in ALL pipelines, water towers, propane tankes, transformers, all the hundreds of prisons broken into, inmates running free everywhere. CA can be burned off of the map, in ONE nignt, by ONE man, in a stolen plane, with a parachute and a couple cases of road flares, man. Just drop one every 5-10miles, at 3 miles per minute, for a few hours, in dry season. Mother nature will do the rest. Hundreds of hunks of angle iron, weldied in the center of rr bridges, etc. It would be EASY to render the military helpless, right HERE. just because YOU are ignorant of something doesn't make it impossible. It just makes you ignorant, that's all.



 
Old 06-06-2004, 11:29 AM   #9
 
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with 100lbs of gear

you can run, but you're not sprinting anywhere. You also never specified terrain, but what you listed is an infinate variable. You can run in snow and mud, if it's deep enough, you're not running anywhere, regardless of how much you're carrying. You merely stated that no one can run with 50lbs. In addition, that 100 lbs of gear is for long term operations. When in war, you don't know whe your next resupply is, so you take as much as you can carry. WWII paratroopers carried 150lbs. of gear into combat. Soldiers also ditch the packs during firefights, and come back to it later.

What that other stuff you posted is, I have no clue. It seems as though you are completely disconnected from reality.
 
Old 06-07-2004, 09:00 PM   #10
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I wonder how much of that 150 pounds was ditched as soon as they hit the ground though.
 
Old 06-08-2004, 06:39 AM   #11
 
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I wonder how much of that 150 pounds was ditched as soon as they hit the ground though.
Most of it, probably, and if they had that little doo-hicky that strapped all their stuff to their leg, they lost it all (including weapons) as soon as they left the aircraft.
 
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