try your "fast" .30 carbine - Page 2

Garand · 12-07-2020, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by John in AR

I realized I’d never timed myself on the .30C, so figured I’d give it a shot; but on a limited basis largely due to ammo reasons. The .30C is one of the calibers I don’t reload, and with things as crazy as they are in the market right now, I just did a single three-round reaction drill. From low ready, chamber loaded, safety on, with standard 110-grain ammo. Mine has the rotating safety, not the earlier (and probably faster) crossbolt version. From the beep, three C-zone hits at 14-15 yards.

Times were .66 to the first shot, 0.19 to the second, and .17 to the third. That’s three hits in 0.36 seconds from first shot to last. I still prefer the AR, but being an over-the-hill non-professional, I can totally live with that.

Thanks, John; you helped me re-validate (to myself at least) the appropriateness of the .30C as an absolutely valid short- to medium-range defensive gun.

{edited to correct target info. Was a C zone target, not an A zone.}

I'll have to try this come spring!

John in AR · 12-07-2020, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Garand

I'll have to try this come spring!

I really had forgotten how much I liked the little gun. It's been living as a safe gun at our shop for several years now and I hadn't even fired it in that time; probably 5-6 years since I'd shot it at all.

I "knew" that it was really soft-shooting & quick handling just from having used it in the past, but was still surprised & impressed yesterday when I shot it again. Wish it was cheaper to shoot, but that's mostly what 9mm and 22LR guns are for in my world.

John in AR · 12-07-2020, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by John in AR

Was hoping for a response from Boati regarding the times I listed above, but no luck. Just another one-post sermon posing as a thread, and no actual participation in his own topic.

Just noticed the date, and that may explain why no response from boati. The first few days of the month are when the new govt meds come out. Will probably hear from him when the binge tapers off.

Garand · 12-07-2020, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by John in AR

Wish it was cheaper to shoot, but that's mostly what 9mm and 22LR guns are for in my world.

.22 LR, 5.56mm, & 9mm are the cheapest calibers to shoot up here also unfortunately because of our May 1st OIC (like your executive order) our AR's can't be taken out of our homes legally. To say the least there is now an abundance of 5.56mm on store shelves up here. If you have a bolt action rifle in that caliber, your laughing.

John in AR · 12-07-2020, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Garand

...To say the least there is now an abundance of 5.56mm on store shelves up here. If you have a bolt action rifle in that caliber, your laughing.

There's something to be said for that approach, for the politician-resistant factor; and since the 1994-2004 ban I've been a borderline paranoiac regarding politicians. That's another advantage of the M1 carbine and the SKS imo; and another reason to like leverguns so much. Plus have single-shots in .223 and .300 blackout, and a bolt action in 7.62x39, but that's because they're crazy cheap to shoot, more than ban worries.

On the ban-resistant front, another weird one that should be pretty politician-resistant is the circuit judge carbine. Even though capacity is low, it's very quick & handy, and can be stunningly fast for follow-up shots. I wish it was cut for moon clips for faster reloads, but haven't pursued that.

If we do get an AR ban or something similar, that even affects the musical targets stuff. Can't really do that without something that isn't fast-firing and fast-reloading.

Garand · 12-07-2020, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by John in AR

If we do get an AR ban or something similar, that even affects the musical targets stuff. Can't really do that without something that isn't fast-firing and fast-reloading.

Personally I would like to see Ruger bring back its .44 Magnum, semi auto carbine.

John in AR · 12-07-2020, 01:40 PM

Those are neat; one of my wife's cousins has one that's 40+ years old. I believe it's gas operated, but it recoils about like a blowback. It's a hard-kicking little carbine. I suspect if they re-introduced it - or something similar - now, it would be more popular than it was back then. People now realize what a magnum handgun cartridge can do from a rifle barrel; back then, a lot of people thought even a .30 carbine bounced off heavy wool clothing.

I'd love a box-fed semiauto in plain old .357 magnum. That could probably serve every need I had from hunting to woods-walking to defense. Even a tube-fed semiauto in .357 with a side loading gate would do pretty well. Basically, upsize something like a Marlin 60, put a levergun-style loading gate on it (or a bottom-feed loading like the timberwolf) for topping off, and it would be capable of a whole lot of things.

BigEd · 12-07-2020, 01:46 PM

He's not been able to get online.
Maybe lost his log on info.
Or busy moving or wifey handed him his walking papers.
Or lord only knows with him.

Terry G · 12-07-2020, 01:48 PM

I've owned two M-1 Carbines. One I bought from an Air Force guy for $30.00 in Viet Nam. Why I can't remember. I shot it quite a bit at the ranges in base camp and on trips to the "Ville" I sometimes carried it. It had a loose rear sight and once I fixed that it shot very well even with all the abuse it visibly suffered. It always worked, too. The other was a Carbine made by Universal if I remember correctly, and it was a complete failure. Very pretty to look at, it just wouldn't work. I ended up trading it in on a Colt MKIV Series 70. I wouldn't mind having one again. The only one's I've seen lately are pretty pricey, $800.00 and up, and the condition doesn't match the price. I do have a few SKS's, both Chinese and Yugoslavian so I'm covered in the 10 round fixed magazine area.

BigBassMan · 12-07-2020, 01:50 PM

"Maybe lost his log on info."

Oh no! Another new name to put up with!

BigEd · 12-07-2020, 01:56 PM

He's not been listed as active since 12-02-20... hmm.

BigBassMan · 12-07-2020, 02:44 PM

Maybe he froze to death wrapped up in garbage. Or fell threw the ice that wasn't there.

John in AR · 12-07-2020, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry G

...The other was a Carbine made by Universal if I remember correctly, and it was a complete failure. Very pretty to look at, it just wouldn't work...

The Universals were a shame, known for being sketchy. A lot of them were fine, but they had a lot of lemons as well, and the biggest problem is that they're only 'almost' mil-spec. A lot of M1 carbine parts and accessories are specifically labeled with "will not fit Universal brand firearms".

BigEd · 12-07-2020, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBassMan

Maybe he froze to death wrapped up in garbage. Or fell threw the ice that wasn't there.

Or, he feel asleep in his "Super Shelter" on the front yard and the trash truck picked him up and carried him away.

Thursday trash day in his AO I wonder?

BigBassMan · 12-07-2020, 06:05 PM

Hope they had haz mat suits on!

John in AR · 12-09-2020, 02:11 PM

Boati - now that you're back, any comments? Splits of .17 and .19 not fast enough?

BigEd · 12-09-2020, 02:53 PM

Seems to be avoiding the issue.

Crawfish mode activated I guess.

John in AR · 12-09-2020, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by boati

react to the timer's beep, settle in to shoot a rifle from high ready, safety engaged, finger outside of the trigger guard hitting a chest at 5 yds 4x, move to the head, hit it 2x, move 3 ft to the right, hit the 2nd torso in the chest 2x, then move 6 ft over and hit a third torso's chest 2x. The 3rd torso is on the other side of the center one, which you shot first, 6x. Total of 10 shots...

When you say ‘move 3 feet’ and ‘move 6 ft’, do you mean traverse to another target 3 or 6 feet from the first one, or actually take a step or two sideways?

John in AR · 12-10-2020, 10:01 AM

C'mon, John; you've posted 13 times since I put my results here. No comment about whether .17 and .19 are either acceptable or too slow? You brought up the topic of M1 carbine & shooting on a timer, so why not actually talk about it?

Dorobuta · 12-10-2020, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by John in AR

C'mon, John; you've posted 13 times since I put my results here. No comment about whether .17 and .19 are either acceptable or too slow? You brought up the topic of M1 carbine & shooting on a timer, so why not actually talk about it?

I'm of the opinion, that he ends up in topics, doesn't know how to actually navigate to one. This is explains the weird stuff showing up in random places.

12-07-2020, 01:48 PM	#29
Terry G Registered User Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,095	I've owned two M-1 Carbines. One I bought from an Air Force guy for $30.00 in Viet Nam. Why I can't remember. I shot it quite a bit at the ranges in base camp and on trips to the "Ville" I sometimes carried it. It had a loose rear sight and once I fixed that it shot very well even with all the abuse it visibly suffered. It always worked, too. The other was a Carbine made by Universal if I remember correctly, and it was a complete failure. Very pretty to look at, it just wouldn't work. I ended up trading it in on a Colt MKIV Series 70. I wouldn't mind having one again. The only one's I've seen lately are pretty pricey, $800.00 and up, and the condition doesn't match the price. I do have a few SKS's, both Chinese and Yugoslavian so I'm covered in the 10 round fixed magazine area. Attached Thumbnails

12-07-2020, 01:50 PM	#30
BigBassMan Registered User Joined: Jun 2015 From: North Posts: 1,861	"Maybe lost his log on info." Oh no! Another new name to put up with! BigEd likes this.

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BigBassMan Registered User Joined: Jun 2015 From: North Posts: 1,861	Maybe he froze to death wrapped up in garbage. Or fell threw the ice that wasn't there. BigEd likes this.

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12-07-2020, 01:40 PM	#27
John in AR Registered User Joined: May 2004 From: Central Arkansas Posts: 5,547	Those are neat; one of my wife's cousins has one that's 40+ years old. I believe it's gas operated, but it recoils about like a blowback. It's a hard-kicking little carbine. I suspect if they re-introduced it - or something similar - now, it would be more popular than it was back then. People now realize what a magnum handgun cartridge can do from a rifle barrel; back then, a lot of people thought even a .30 carbine bounced off heavy wool clothing. I'd love a box-fed semiauto in plain old .357 magnum. That could probably serve every need I had from hunting to woods-walking to defense. Even a tube-fed semiauto in .357 with a side loading gate would do pretty well. Basically, upsize something like a Marlin 60, put a levergun-style loading gate on it (or a bottom-feed loading like the timberwolf) for topping off, and it would be capable of a whole lot of things.

12-07-2020, 01:46 PM	#28
BigEd Registered User Joined: Mar 2017 From: Arkansas Posts: 511	He's not been able to get online. Maybe lost his log on info. Or busy moving or wifey handed him his walking papers. Or lord only knows with him.

12-07-2020, 01:56 PM	#31
BigEd Registered User Joined: Mar 2017 From: Arkansas Posts: 511	He's not been listed as active since 12-02-20... hmm.

12-07-2020, 06:05 PM	#35
BigBassMan Registered User Joined: Jun 2015 From: North Posts: 1,861	Hope they had haz mat suits on!

12-09-2020, 02:11 PM	#36
John in AR Registered User Joined: May 2004 From: Central Arkansas Posts: 5,547	Boati - now that you're back, any comments? Splits of .17 and .19 not fast enough?

12-09-2020, 02:53 PM	#37
BigEd Registered User Joined: Mar 2017 From: Arkansas Posts: 511	Seems to be avoiding the issue. Crawfish mode activated I guess.

12-10-2020, 10:01 AM	#39
John in AR Registered User Joined: May 2004 From: Central Arkansas Posts: 5,547	C'mon, John; you've posted 13 times since I put my results here. No comment about whether .17 and .19 are either acceptable or too slow? You brought up the topic of M1 carbine & shooting on a timer, so why not actually talk about it?