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Old 12-16-2019, 09:58 AM   #1
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Mossberg MVP Patrol Rifle in 5.56mm

Does anyone have any experience with them? I understand that they take AR mags.
 
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My Son's Father-In-Law has one. I fired it last Spring. 55 Grain PMC at 100 yards from a rest was accurate as you could want. It fed from the magazine it came with and my GI 20 rounders. No malfunctions at all. I like the FIL, but he's as tight with a dollar as anyone I know. If he kicked out money for this gun brand new, which he did, you can bet he researched, thought about it, then researched some more. We put about 60 or 70 rounds through it. (My ammunition, what a shock!) He said he paid $500.00 for it OTD. If he did I'm sure he had buyer's remorse and cried all the way home.
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The government up here is talking about buy backs & banning AR's again, so I'm just kicking the idea around.
 
 
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How do you buy back something you never owned? It wouldn't hurt to have a back up plan just in case. In the US we don't know what's going to happen in the future either. Most here breathed a sigh of relief when Trump was elected, then he started issuing executive orders and banning bump stocks. All you can do is try to prepare. I wouldn't be surprised to see suppressor's go here next. It's been threatened.
 
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How do you buy back something you never owned? ...
Because most that believe in banning Guns believe the govt owns everything anyway. You know ****ing communists.
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Old 12-17-2019, 08:37 AM   #6
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A bolt-action would honestly be about my last choice; or maybe second-to-last, just ahead of a single shot.

If the ban is an AR-specific thing, I'd look into things as close as possible. Mini-14, M1 carbine, Daewoo, FNC, etc.

If it's a box-fed-semiauto ban, maybe an SKS or something similar with a fixed magazine..?

If it's a ban of all semiautos in general; basically if I wanted a defensive longarm and couldn’t have a semiauto, I’d seriously look into pump shotguns. There’s a lot of good options in that category.

But if we’re sticking to rifles & carbines, I really like compact lever guns, and a short-throw 16”-18” slicked up SASS carbine in 45LC loaded with something like Barnes 200 grain schp could serve fairly well imo. I don't know what the barrel lengths are on your cowboy-shooting leverguns, but a 16" in .45Colt, .357 magnum, or .44 magnum would honestly be on my short list of defensive carbine choices if I couldn't have a semiauto. My leverguns (except one Henry 22) are all based on the 92 design, but the 73 (which most sass shooters seem to use) is supposed to be inherently faster due to having a shorter lever throw. It can't take high-pressure loads like a 92 can, but still plenty strong for things like 45 colt. I had to look it up on my spreadsheet, but the standard-pressure Barnes 200-grain solid copper HP load runs 1301 fps from my 20" gun. Doesn't equal a real, modern rifle, but it's up there in .41 magnum handgun territory; which is pretty capable.

A pump carbine could also be very good, but regardless of whether pump or lever-action, I’d want a short-action system on any manually-operated defensive gun.

Another, more outside-the-box approach would be maybe a revolving carbine..? Nowhere near ideal, but other than capacity, they have a lot going for them imo. I haven’t done it on mine yet, but a DA revolving carbine in a decent caliber (44, 45, 410..?) converted to use moonclips could be well worth considering if other options are severely limited. Even though capacity would be obviously limited, follow-up shot time would be nearly as fast as a semiauto, and moonclips would make for reloads faster than even speedloaders do.

All that said, if you really wanted to stick with .223 and stanag magazines, I'd look into the pump-action guns available now before a bolt action.
 
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Because most that believe in banning Guns believe the govt owns everything anyway. You know ****ing communists.
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How do you buy back something you never owned? It wouldn't hurt to have a back up plan just in case.
Unfortunately AR's have been registered up here for over 25 year, the same way as handguns.
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A bolt-action would honestly be about my last choice; or maybe second-to-last, just ahead of a single shot.

If the ban is an AR-specific thing, I'd look into things as close as possible. Mini-14, M1 carbine, Daewoo, FNC, etc.

If it's a box-fed-semiauto ban, maybe an SKS or something similar with a fixed magazine..?

If it's a ban of all semiautos in general; basically if I wanted a defensive longarm and couldn’t have a semiauto, I’d seriously look into pump shotguns. There’s a lot of good options in that category.

But if we’re sticking to rifles & carbines, I really like compact lever guns, and a short-throw 16”-18” slicked up SASS carbine in 45LC loaded with something like Barnes 200 grain schp could serve fairly well imo. I don't know what the barrel lengths are on your cowboy-shooting leverguns, but a 16" in .45Colt, .357 magnum, or .44 magnum would honestly be on my short list of defensive carbine choices if I couldn't have a semiauto. My leverguns (except one Henry 22) are all based on the 92 design, but the 73 (which most sass shooters seem to use) is supposed to be inherently faster due to having a shorter lever throw. It can't take high-pressure loads like a 92 can, but still plenty strong for things like 45 colt. I had to look it up on my spreadsheet, but the standard-pressure Barnes 200-grain solid copper HP load runs 1301 fps from my 20" gun. Doesn't equal a real, modern rifle, but it's up there in .41 magnum handgun territory; which is pretty capable.


It appears that they are going after about 17 different types of center fire rifles and shotguns. They are not announcing which ones until they drop the hammer on us.

Currently I have 3 M73's, all slicked, 1 .45LC Carbine (19"), 1 .45LC Short Rifle (20") and 1x .357 Short Rifles. Plus my wife has a M73 .357 Short Rifle. I have a decent amount of 5.56mm competition ammo in stock and a couple of dozen pinned magazines bought back when they were $40-$45 apiece up here.

As for shotgun, I have a Mossberg 590 that I used to use for 3 gun matches.
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John,. That's exactly how I feel about then. Although Scotch Irish by birth I was adopted and raised from birth by a Polish/Czech American family. My polish grandfather fought in WWI in Hallers Army in France against the Germans and in the Polish Soviet War against the Russian Communists.
The hate for these bastards runs deep. Members of my family have been fighting them one way or another for 100years.

Thanks to those 2 butt buddies Hitler and Stalin there are only 20 people left with the family's full polish last name in the whole of Poland.
 
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I can't say I disagree, but unfortunately all the younger generation these days thinks socialism is a good thing. It will be interesting to see where this goes, like I mentioned all AR's sold up here in the past 2-3 decades have been registered, so the gov't knows we have them. When they drop the hammer and identify the remainder of the firearms that they want to ban that are not registered, I'm laying odds we will end up like the pickle New Zealand has gotten itself into. From my understanding they have less than 15% compliance. I can see the same thing happening here.
 
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...Although Scotch Irish by birth...
C'mon now - we've met. I'd guess half scotch/irish and half bison...
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C'mon now - we've met. I'd guess half scotch/irish and half bison...
. Maybe part Viking since tracing my birth/clan name back it was on the coast and a few islands.
 
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So... when do all of our North Of The Border Brethren think it'll be Time To Boogaloo?
Because, seriously-its nearly past time down here. We've got hostile action in NC,VA,NJ,NY, Florida,By AND the always present threat in my current state of NH....
It's good to have a " plan B" option for available weapons... until the Leviathan State decides the previously unnamed arms are a " loop hole" and seek to ban THOSE.
The time to give them he Ceaucescu Protocol was 25 years ago. And I say EXACTLY the same thing regarding My Fellow US Citizens (who are in danger of becoming Subjects,if the Progressitard Left and RINO Establishment pukes get their way)....any chance of massive Civil Disobedience backed up by real resolve?
 
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The problem we have is the same as you have where a large percentage of people live in 2 or 3 areas like, California, New York, Florida. We have the Greater Toronto area in Ontario and Quebec. Our vote is so lop sided that by the time the vote is cast in Toronto, the votes in the rest of Western Canada doesn't count. The is a very noisy minority in the West wanting to separate from the east these days. The minority is getting larger with every passing month.
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I would be looking hard at your Forum name. The M-1 Garand with the eight round en bloc clip seems to ruffle no ones feathers. Looked on as "The Greatest Generations" weapon it's not feared like those evil black fully semi-automatic thousand rounds a second are. I would like eight rounds semi-automatic over a bolt or lever action. If I had to go to a bolt for sef defense I would pick mu trusty Short Magazine Lee-Enfield MKIII *. 10 rounds of .303 from the best bolt action Military Rifle ever made. Just my humble opinion of course.
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M1A is nice, with 10 rd. mag never draws a second look. Reminds me that I need to put the scope back on. Of course with these .30cal. the rounds bounce off things, Mel said so, must be true. Only a 10" AR is any good.
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M1A is nice, with 10 rd. mag never draws a second look. Reminds me that I need to put the scope back on. Of course with these .30cal. the rounds bounce off things, Mel said so, must be true. Only a 10" AR is any good.
Maybe a AR-10 pistol then?
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Old 12-19-2019, 06:30 AM   #19
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I would be looking hard at your Forum name. The M-1 Garand with the eight round en bloc clip seems to ruffle no ones feathers. Looked on as "The Greatest Generations" weapon it's not feared like those evil black fully semi-automatic thousand rounds a second are. I would like eight rounds semi-automatic over a bolt or lever action. If I had to go to a bolt for sef defense I would pick mu trusty Short Magazine Lee-Enfield MKIII *. 10 rounds of .303 from the best bolt action Military Rifle ever made. Just my humble opinion of course.
I'd go with that. I am comfortable/competent and we'll set for ammo and gear with the Mosin Nagant trio I have (M44,T53 and Finn M39)but we'd all have to assume future logistical and resupply problems with the rimmed rifle cartridges (.303 British and 7.62x54R) ESPECIALLY down here in the States with the (ongoing) Russian sanctions and ever present threat of unilateral action from our respective Embedded Scum in the ATFingE,State,DoJ,Customs and other federal government Enforcement and administrative bodies.
Oddly enough, although you guys in Canada have magazine limits ,AFAIK you can still get the Russian and Chicom ammo.
 
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I would be looking hard at your Forum name. The M-1 Garand with the eight round en bloc clip seems to ruffle no ones feathers. Looked on as "The Greatest Generations" weapon it's not feared like those evil black fully semi-automatic thousand rounds a second are. I would like eight rounds semi-automatic over a bolt or lever action. If I had to go to a bolt for sef defense I would pick mu trusty Short Magazine Lee-Enfield MKIII *. 10 rounds of .303 from the best bolt action Military Rifle ever made. Just my humble opinion of course.

Honestly, I have no idea if the Garand will be on the list, they haven't dropped the hammer yet. Just hope that it doesn't look like Virginia! I think that Garand's are part of Virginias list because of the bayonet lug, not positive though. Believe me I am fully kitted out for my Garand in use in service rifle matches.

I've owned at least 6-7 Enfield's during the past 25+ years and once you get them set up with a decent set of wood, a free floating barrel and at least 4 RELIABLE magazines and at least 40 stripper clips you have a great setup. An M1 Garand Cartridge belt is a great addition for matches also. The problem that I have encountered is that you can only get 3-5 reloads out of .303 brass. Take my word for it, if you use the Enfield in any type of timed shooting competition, ALWAYS have a broken case extractor readily available. Back when I shot WW2 re-enactor matches I made sure that I wore a wide leather wrist band that held securely my broken case extractor. About 10 years ago I started to feel that the Enfield's were a liability using reloads and at the cost of factory ammo I got rid of them.

Back to the AR, like most competitive shooters I have a whole lot of kit for the AR and to avoid money loss it would be nice to be able to transfer some of that kit to a bolt action rifle setup. Like ammo, mag, scopes, Harris bipod.

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