What is your opinion of Palmetto state armory?
Uppers and lowers specifically. What can an expensive AR do what that a cheap one can't? As I recall the ARs we used in the service were made by the cheapest contractor and they worked well.
I have two PSA lowers; both pistol receivers that I put .300bk and a .22LR uppers on. They've not been run real hard at all, but work fine so far. Can't tell any difference yet between them and any other brand I own, with probably only 2000 rounds thru the blackout and 4000-5000 thru the rimfire.
Only time will tell for sure, but so far so good...
Afterthought on 'cheap ARs' as a breed. I've had one VERY disappointing AR upper, a Model-1 Sales upper unit bought probably 2005 or so. When it had only 5-10k rounds thru it the insides of the upper were so worn/galled/whatever, that it was horrifying. It was one I'd put together and one of my sons eventually adopted from me. When I saw what it looked like on the inside, I went out that day and bought a new gun and put its upper on his.
Doubt I'll ever buy another Model-1 again.
did you look to see if there was something particular about that bcg that was causing it? Just softer aluminum in the upper? Model One would probably replace it for you. Gun companies have to REALLY fear the power of forums like this, youtube, etc.
No problem with the bcg; just soft aluminum in the upper. It was galled bad. I swapped out the bcg the same time, putting one of mine in the new upper. I've used that bcg in a different gun for 2-3 years since now with no ill effects on its new host. The Model-1 uper was just soft as crap.
I'd think that you should have noticed it before it got like that, right? Polishing and some other kind of lube might have helped when it was first getting started. The early stainless steel autos had galling issues, too. They didn't tell people that special lube was required with such metals.
[QUOTE=boati;291345]I'd think that you should have noticed it before it got like that, right? [/QUOTE]
I didn't have it all that long; bought it in (iirc) 2005 & put a couple thousand thru it, intended as a backup gun to my primary CAR-15.
My son had it from probably 2008 or 2009 and put the rest of the rounds thru it in the 6-7 years that followed. I didn't have it on hand to see how it was progressing, and it was his first AR so it didn't strike him as bad as it should have. It functioned fine for the number of rounds he put thru it, but was wearing a whole lot faster than it should have. My primary gun in that same time frame had probably 25-30k thru it and didn't have one-tenth the wear showing as that one did at less than 10k rounds. It was very bad.
I mail-ordered the M1S upper from an ad in Shotgun News shortly after the sunset of the clinton AWB, without checking into the company at all. After doing this swap to a new upper on his gun I did look into Model 1 reviews online, and they have a fairly sketchy reputation, from poor quality to out-of-spec components to fraudulent credit card charges following a sale. It was enough to steer me clear of them in the future. No idea if PSA is any better since I don't have a ton of rounds thru mine yet, but at least their reviews are better.
[QUOTE=zombo;291261]Uppers and lowers specifically. What can an expensive AR do what that a cheap one can't? As I recall the ARs we used in the service were made by the cheapest contractor and they worked well.[/QUOTE]
Zombo, a quality AR can do a few things a cheapy one can't. Last, be accurate and function well! My Dad always told me, "you get what you pay for"! Have an
I'll just say this:
Where I work, we make AR parts for much of the AR-15 community, so we get nice visits from guys like FN, Colt, and other clients.
One time it was PSA. When these clients come, they bring guns, mostly what's available, some are prototypes, some Class-III (It was a fun day when FN brought full-auto SAWs). Nothing, NOT ONE SINGLE THING PSA brought worked. I've also seen people who bought ARs from PSA and had problems like the gas tube not being staked in place. The upper having a powder coat, instead of anodizing (which will cause the galling mentioned above), barrels not properly installed (visibly drooping when seen from the side, etc.
iF you get what you pay for, that would be ok. Often, tho, like with colt's python, what you get is a name that costs you a fortune and the gun goes out of time in 2000 rds or less. Or like their grossly overpriced AR, with its screwed up front takedown screw and back end where the fire control group goes. Ditto their 1911's, wouldn't offer well proven mods even after Kimber was killing them over the lack thereof. Colt deserves to be bankrupt, very much so.
I have Colt AR's dating back to 1971 that are still shooting fine. The most current is the LE6920. I probably did pay to much because I often do. Still, I have more faith in the Colt's because they have never given me any reason not to. The Colt 1911 Series 70 had the extractor replaced, one part in over twenty years of carrying and shooting. Colt's problems have for the most part been bad business decisions and bad management. I recently had a chance to shoot both the Ruger and S&W AR-15 designs and they seemed to be well made. I'd still choose a Colt.
Colt ARs are Okay. I mean mostly Mil;-Spec except for their few screw-overs of the civilian guns. But like FN they offer an in-spec product at Gucci prices. But they work.
I've never had a Colt 1911 shoot more than 4 rounds in a row without jamming. Full-power 230-gr. FMJ, guns new, every one of them a Series 70, with Colt magazines (I gave up on them before Wilson mags were a thing).
I bought this in the '70's, my carry gun for 20 years. I shot a lot of different rounds out of it and settled on 185 Grain Golden Sabers. I started getting failure to extracts after I don't know how many thousands of rounds and had Colt replace the extractor. It shot fine again. I exchanged it for the high cap Glock 21, which is a fine .45 also. I have nothing bad to say about any Colt's I've ever owned. If I had any gun fail to shoot after 4 rounds it would be back to the manufacturer immediately. Colt has produced some dud's. The Colt Series 70 is not one of them.
[QUOTE=Rory Conall;294547]...I've never had a Colt 1911 shoot more than 4 rounds in a row without jamming. Full-power 230-gr. FMJ, guns new, every one of them a Series 70, with Colt magazines (I gave up on them before Wilson mags were a thing).[/QUOTE]
The only Colt that I ever had a problem with was an Officer's Model, bought when they first came out, 1984 iirc. It sucked and ended up being sold to the shop I bought it from.
Other than that, I've never had a problem colt anything. Have only two now that I can think of, one AR carbine that's boringly reliable, and a full-size 70-series 1911 that I've had for over 30 years and still runs like a top.
Only trouble I've had with the colt 1911 that I can recall was my fault, a batch of reloads that were loaded overly short and caused cycling problems in other guns as well.
I've several guns that I've built on Anderson Lowers and I've never had a problem with any of them.
Just don't go cheap on the lower parts kit and get a decent BCG.
Get a decent barrel or complete upper. That's where the accuracy comes from.
Anderson lowers are great, built several from them, sadly they went to bottom of lake when boat turned over during a tornado, hurricane or---------.
A few years ago, I owned 11 Colt 1911's, 10 in .45 ACP & 1 in 9mm. The only problems I ever had with a 1911 were with poor quality ammunition or poor quality mags. I've used a 1911 in competition since the early '90's with very few problems, and my pistols were from anywhere between 1913 mfg 1911's to 1980's Combat Comanders.
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