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Old 02-07-2018, 06:40 AM   #1
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USMC officially contracts H&K to replace the M4

http://tribunistdaily.com/index.php/...eplace-the-m4/


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Old 02-07-2018, 08:51 AM   #2
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I'm hoping that at that price and weight ($3000 and 7.9 lbs), it includes the optics and all the toys. The weight seems unnecessarily high, and the price is ludicrous unless it includes the acog, the mini-rmr and an atpail or dbal all three. Even with all those, the unit price is still high for a contract like that.

My primary AR is a 16" (same bbl length) with linear comp, and even WITH a trijicon MRO in a Midwest QD mount, fold-down BUIS, two spare MRO batteries in the stock (two just in case one is bad when opened), plus spare bolt, firing pin, and cam pin in the grip - still only weighs 7.18lbs empty. And certainly didn't come anywhere close to that silly $3000 price.
 
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If that's near 8 lb.'s for just the rifle, I wouldn't want to carry one with all the optic's and whatever attached. The Poor, Bloody, Infantry. If something get's lightened, Rifle, Ammunition, Rucksack, or Entrenching Tool, the powers that be always find some other heavy thing to make up more weight.
 
 
Old 02-08-2018, 11:21 AM   #4
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Some of us humped an FN, halfway around the world in our younger years. In your 20's & 30's a couple (2-5 lbs) don't mean a lot. Reliability is the most important thing.
 
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...Reliability is the most important thing.
Agree completely on that.

I'd just rather have the extra weight belong to something more useful than a heavier-than-necessary barrel; even if it's just one extra magazine of ammo, or some water or something. If I had to add weight to gain reliability I'd not hesitate at all, but an AR system with a lightweight barrel can be as reliable as a heavy-barrel version.

Different aspect, but could we also PLEASE get rid of the insane desire for faster & faster twist rates... This one has a 1:7, which is a bad thing for M855-weight ammo imo when it comes to terminal ballistics. That said, the M855 itself is a bad thing for terminal ballistics anyway, so maybe it doesn't matter all that much.

Gonna rant here some..... Why not plain old M193 fired from a 1:12 or even 1:14 twist, lightweight 14-16 inch barrel? It gives up some minor amount of precision accuracy, but is still more accurate than most shooters are. That bullet weight, in that twist rate, runs in 'barely stabilized' territory and so is very terminally effective due to the M193's predilection to yawing. Even though I do use better ammo myself (since I'm a civilian and can), I'd still be extremely happy with that combination for personal defense if it was 'all' I had available. Even better (to jump on a soapbox a little bit), give me a 14-16" barrel with the increased velocity of progressive-gain-twist rifling that ends in 1:12, loaded with M193, and I'd be as happy as Bill Clinton at Hooters.
 
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Hey don't look at me, if I ever had to shoot someone the bullet will be 147 grain in .308". Any rifle that took 50 years to go from a sows ear to a silk purse isn't what I want to carry if the balloon goes up.
 
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Is that the ones that bounce off things! Cause if it is, I am screwed too, my M1A likes them.
 
Old 02-09-2018, 07:34 AM   #8
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I used to be a 308 guy and a .45acp guy, but I'm not that insecure anymore...

(I kid, I kid.... If I were in a more wintry or longer-range environment, I'd still be a heavier-bullet guy. But where I am, everything's so 'medium' that the little 223 is plenty adequate.)
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The M-16/AR15 is what I'm used to and I have confidence with. That being said, I also have two Garand's and a couple thousand .30/06 rounds on clips. After making a lot of 9MM purchases, CZ's mostly, I switched EDC to .45. With today's ammunition choices the difference is probably not that much, Sounds like Heresy, but I have heard too much back and forth caliber war's talk.
 
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Who will volunteer to go to Africa with a camera an film Mel on his big hunt with the pocket nine?
 
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He'd be torn to pieces and eaten alive. Then there's Wild Animals to contend with, also.
 
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Or pounded as they say over there when a Cape Buffalo rolls on someone.
 
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ROFLMAO!!!
 
Old 05-14-2018, 07:48 PM   #14
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Hey don't look at me, if I ever had to shoot someone the bullet will be 147 grain in .308". Any rifle that took 50 years to go from a sows ear to a silk purse isn't what I want to carry if the balloon goes up.
But Garand, it DID 'go from a sows ear to a silk purse'. It's a silk purse now!

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Irrespective of bullet weights, I still remain convinced that the 5.56 is at it's best out of a 20 inch barrel. Considering that the old M193 was optimized for that length(albia slower rifling twist than today's offerings) I believe that if we are going to remain with that caliber than we should consider bringing back that...
How about a 20 inch light/medium contour barrel. I LIKE the faster twist , but we can do workaround options..low profile irons(no stupid high sight tower and carrying handle). Yes it's longer than an M4, but it doesn't have to be heavier.
Go back to " light,handy, ergonomic and balanced inits ballistics"
 
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