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Old 12-28-2017, 02:32 PM   #1
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Ruger 9MM Carbine

I have been on again/off again about a pistol caliber carbine. On one hand, what's the point of a 9mm carbine accurate 100 yards, when I have two perfectly good AR's that are good to way more than that? On the other hand a light 9MM/.45 ACP carbine compatible with my hiking pistol's would be pretty neat. I see Ruger has entered the field with a 9MM PC that is rumored to run about $550.00 and take Glock magazines along with Ruger's own. I'm going to wait and see, but I feel the itch. One thing to keep in mind was Ruger's last 9MM Carbine had real accuracy problem's, so much so that people were saying they could out shoot it with a Ruger pistol. Any thought's on this?
 
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Old 12-28-2017, 02:50 PM   #2
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I got one of those Just Right Carbines, Great gun an uses Glock mags. Can change calibers in a couple minutes. Mine is the takedown model. Accurate an a lot of fun to shoot! Put a red dot sight on it. Lot of internals are AR. Can be right or left handed. Have 6 Glock 17 round mags, 3 33 rounds, 2 10 round. Has never Jammed in with any load. With red dot I only shoot it to 100 yds. or less.
Son has the non takedown model an has a 3X9 on it along with iron sights, he had his first an will never part with it. Seen his an had to have one. Comes in a nice backpack. A cheap to shoot an fun gun! Friend bought the KelTec one an it is a piece of trash. I did change grip on mine to one with the storage compartment.(same grip as AR) Stays under back seat of truck most of the time. Only bad thing is loading the mags! Had to buy a loader. Once you start shooting, you don't want to put it down. Clay birds at 50 are not a good challange.
 
Old 12-28-2017, 04:04 PM   #3
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Uh, oh; somebody said 'pistol-caliber carbines'...

One of my favorite type of gun, quite frankly. To avoid completely cluttering up your thread, my thoughts on PCC's are summarized here: https://armslocker.com/rifles/52844-p...on-magnum.html

On the Ruger itself, I've never had one, but ruger carbines have had a reputation for mediocre accuracy for decades. How deserved that reputation is, I can't say, but it's something I've heard seemingly forever.

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I got one of those Just Right Carbines... uses Glock mags. Can change calibers in a couple minutes. Mine is the takedown model... Put a red dot sight on it. Lot of internals are AR. Can be right or left handed.
...Comes in a nice backpack.
...Once you start shooting, you don't want to put it down.
I have that exact setup; exactly the same (cheapish TRS-25 dot on mine), and love the stupid thing. Too much fun, cheap ammo, common glock magazines, and even factory threaded to match both the abraxas and mystic-x suppressors. Really like that gun.
 
 
Old 12-29-2017, 06:16 AM   #4
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I have been thinking about getting one in 45acp instead of just the conversion. Don't see the need but have tons of 45 brass. An I want one!

This Spring I might put a 2x7 or 3x9 scope on mine just to try it. The red dot I have on it is a real cheapie for a rimfire but it has held up. Fast enough an accurate for what I use it for. If I really need a scope, that is what a rifle is for.
I use a Lee 124 gr. bullet loaded with 4.5 Unique, use same load in my Brownings an Govt models. Did fire a box of Russian krap thru the carbine to see how it did. Can't make it jam.
They are also made in several other calibers, 357 Sig, .40 an I think 10mm.
357 Sig an 10 would get expensive to shoot. Not sure what other calibers are made, have not looked at site in awhile. 9mm an maybe 45 just makes more sense to me. Another thing, besides changing from left to right handed, the bolt handle is changeable. Fired mine once without headgear an it was not too bad.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 06:40 AM   #5
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Fwiw, the JRC 9mm carbine as currently set up:


I'd prefer the dot a little lower, but at the time all I had was that one riser. With no riser it was too low, so I went this way. One of these days I'll likely get a lower riser to drop the dot some, but it's still a bunch of fun as-is.

Even without the suppressor attached, it looks a little long and gangly on the front end, but that's largely because it's so thin & compact to begin with. Notice the handguard is only about the same size around as the pistol grip, and only slightly bulkier than the 9mm glock magazine in the well; it's quite compact. At first glance, the barrel looks overly long, but it's only 17" in reality. It's just that the front of gun is so lean that it makes the short barrel look long.
 
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Will try to get FordPerfect to take a pic of mine today or soon.
Just looked an the caliber conversion to 45 is $315.00, it includes bolt an barrel, tools, mag. not bad but think I would rather have a complete one!
 
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1/2in. riser works out perfect.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 08:09 AM   #8
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I've never had a .45acp carbine that I recall, but I do remember BBTI getting up around 750-825 ft/lbs with some +P loads in that caliber. That's up into .41 magnum territory; plenty respectable imo.

I confess that since getting the .22tcm 1911 a year & a half ago, that I've been intrigued by a carbine in that caliber. It's less terminally effective than an AR, but more than a PCC, and would make a nifty critter-getter with a suppressor. Would be cool, but I don't really need one, and so will probably never bother with it; too many other things higher priority.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 09:18 AM   #9
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Life gets in the way of doing things you want to do.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 10:27 AM   #10
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Life gets in the way of doing things you want to do.
I'd say "adult planning gets in the way of childish instant gratification"...

I've also heard it said that 'an adult makes a plan and sticks to it; a child does whatever feels good'.

I'm certainly not hurting for anything or going without anything important; I even got a new .22 rifle just a few weeks ago when a local gunshop owed us money. But if not having a couple more guns and skipping a few vacations are the price for having everything (our land, our house, our business, and our commercial building) paid off before age 65, that's a price I'll gladly pay. Considering that twice in my 40's I had the career/financial rug pulled out from under me due to corporate buyouts and closures, I'm very happy with the road we're on. We're not "arrived" yet, but definitely on the right track. No guarantees of the future obviously, but 'so far, so good'...

And I still do have my pistol-caliber carbines to play with in the meantime.

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{And Terry; buy a stupid 9mm carbine, whether Ruger, Just Right or whatever brand. They're like candy for gun guys. }

Last edited by John in AR; 12-29-2017 at 10:31 AM.
 
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Yep, I made plans to be able to retire at 55, that never happened, had to work till I was 56, but got a hell of a early retirement, too good to stay longer. Out after 29years 11 months. Never have wanted to do anything but what I wanted since.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 11:44 AM   #12
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John, maybe we should keep quiet about those carbines so nobody will buy them up, more for us!
 
Old 12-29-2017, 12:48 PM   #13
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John, maybe we should keep quiet about those carbines so nobody will buy them up, more for us!
Nah... Let 'em buy them up. (I've already got mine... )

The more people that have them, the better; and the more people who have them, the more people who may screech with something to lose at future gun-ban legislation.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 02:15 PM   #14
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My problem is the Just Right Carbine LOOKS like my AR's! For a 9MM or 45 Carbine I want something that looks like an M-1 Carbine. I don't know why, I just do. I'm going to wait and see what the reports are on the Ruger. It's a genuine feeding frenzy now, with $150.00 price fluctuations, information and mis-information on Glock magazine acceptance, sights, etc. As I look out the window, I don't see the need to hurry.
 
Old 12-30-2017, 09:31 PM   #15
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In the fwiw column, chiappa makes (or at least used to make) a 9mm carbine that looked VERY much like an M1 carbine. When I saw them, I seriously considered one; but every single review I found was either mediocre or negative, so I never tried one. Love the concept though; I love pccs and I love the M1 carbine as well.

If you can find an old marlin camp-9, pop a new set of springs in it and you can have a lot of fun for cheap.
 
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