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Old 04-06-2016, 11:07 AM   #1
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Marine unit that guards U.K.ís nuclear weapons drops standard rifle for cutting-edge

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...e-canadian-gun

Brits go Canadian! Almost as the Americans building the greatest battle rifle that was designed by a man born in Canada.

http://www.eliteukforces.info/specia...weapons/c8.php

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Old 04-06-2016, 11:15 AM   #2
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Some people just take FOREVER to get the word. The shorty AR has been around since about 1968, I first saw one (and the .22 unit) in 1978, became very enamored of it. It was my learning to make silencers, tho, in 1983, that clinched the deal. 30 years later, and 19 years after I started touting this combo on the NET, people still bs about the "superiority" of .30 AK and 308. If they're so effing superior, how come every military in the world (that can afford to do so) has dropped them?
 
Old 04-07-2016, 03:32 PM   #3
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I think it's a step up and a good move, but what's particularly cutting-edge about it..? Not being sarcastic - does it have some features they don't mention in the article; some features that ten million other AR SBR's don't have?
 
 
Old 04-07-2016, 03:42 PM   #4
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It works, unlike the current service rifle the British use, plus it is built in a Commonwealth country, you know sort of like Americans buying American.
 
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Yeah,they DID have years of headaches with that SA80/L 81 series bullpup. AFAIK, until the Germans (HK) got involved in retrofitting them,breakage problems from NATO spec 5.56(extractors leaving via ejection ports) were common. I THOUGHT the Germans redesigning them got the bugs out,but I guess " Not So Much ".
 
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Yeah,they DID have years of headaches with that SA80/L 81 series bullpup. AFAIK, until the Germans (HK) got involved in retrofitting them,breakage problems from NATO spec 5.56(extractors leaving via ejection ports) were common. I THOUGHT the Germans redesigning them got the bugs out,but I guess " Not So Much ".
HK did what was essentially a bandaid job, the design was flawed from the beginning....by the time it really became apparent though, the UK had already completely invested into the system. The UK has been very quietly transitioning to the M-4 for a whike. It's sort of like the G36.....once the inherent problems with having your barrel trunnion made out of polymer cause to your accuracy became public knowledge, it had already been issued in a number of different countries' military forces...it wasn't until someone got them that was actually USING them that the heat issues became glaringly apparent.
 
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same thing as the full auto switch on the m14. Why have it, since it's worthless? but they ruined 2 million M1A's that could have been sold to the public, by notching the pos for that pos. so instead, law required that they be torched, just cause they COULD be made full auto. the very first test sample proved what anyone could have seen from the paper specs, half as heavy as BAR, twice as fast cyclic rate=4x less controlable. DuH. any teenager should have seen that coming.
 
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Having worked on a Base that houses Canadian Units, the British training unit in Canada and Defence Research, I talked to thousands of Brits in the last 2 decades. They hated to a core the original rifle and the new rifle worked well in the first couple of years after the upgrade was finished. The more action they seen in Iraq & Afghanistan, the more they seemed to break down. Plus ammunition for Brit & American/Canadian guns were not interchangeable.
 
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Yeah, that ATFingE rule " once a machine gun, always a machine gun " thing is stupid. I DO wonder if those current reformatting of the M14 improves FA controllability.
 
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it CANT. law of physics, equal and opposite reaction, momentum and cyclic rate =amount of climb people need to just get over the 308. Put sp's in the 223 and it's got plenty of power.
 
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They'd have been better off doing the same thing the Brits did with their old SLR variation on the FAL. No arguments here,just curious if anyone has run a Crazy Horse M14?
 
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Yeah, that ATFingE rule " once a machine gun, always a machine gun " thing is stupid. I DO wonder if those current reformatting of the M14 improves FA controllability.
As far as I know and remember reading the EBR for Enhanced Battle Rifle and other DMR upgrade projects where not so much for full auto controllability but more intended to make the M14 more compatible with modern optics of various kinds.

Although I imagine some of the straight line stocks used may have helped somewhat.
 
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nothing could help enough to matter any, its a lost cause
 
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