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Old 09-10-2005, 10:28 AM   #41
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So far, I'm leaning toward the KelTec in 9mm, to use my same Glock magazines. I thought there was a gun show this weekend, but turns out it's a "Hunter's Expo", which is mainly four-wheelers, deer feeders, and clothing.

There IS a gunshow next weekend though; and if I don't find anything there, I'll probably order a Sub2000 from a local shop that's got stuff for me in the past. I checked with them, and it's only $270 plus tax out the door.
 
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Old 09-10-2005, 11:05 AM   #42
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For anyone interested in the Winchester M97 shotgun, I highly recommend that you also buy the book "U.S. Shotguns, All Types TM 9-285" recently reprinted by Desert Publications, Cornville, Az 86325. This is the best publication on the shotgun that I have seen to date.
 
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I think I'm going to look into the Norinco version. As I understand it they are pretty faithful copies of the original trench gun.
 
 
Old 11-18-2011, 07:23 AM   #44
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From what I have seen the last 5 years, you either like a Norinco or you hate it. There are no halfway positions on the guns.
 
Old 12-08-2011, 06:09 PM   #45
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I personally would go Combloc-a decent AK build.with a sidefolder....maybe a Draco and or a Mosin Nagant 1944....although you could also.stash a few Makarov and Tokarev sidearms throughout the vehicle....
 
Old 12-09-2011, 04:46 PM   #46
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Nah!!! Winchester M97



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Old 12-09-2011, 04:49 PM   #47
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Nice crowd pleaser!
 
Old 12-18-2011, 10:37 AM   #48
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Old post, but a good on and a current situation. In my rural area the vehicle type of iniated crime is right up there with the urban areas. Car jackings, theft of, and from automobiles, and good old road rage from some "swamp buck" with a twelve pack in him and another one on the seat beside him, are current trends. When I drove my pick up I carried a Chinese "Paratrooper" (I know, no such thing) behind the front seat. Fairly accesible with one hand, and ten rounds of good penetrating ammunition. When gas went up, I bought a higher gas mileage SUV for town trips and retired the old S-10 to a "work truck." I also changed guns. The carbine just isn't practical. It can be hidden in the rear cargo area, but access means leaving the vehicle and exposing oneselve to shotgun bubba and his father/brother. I settled on a CZ 52 with 5 magazines of the 7.62x25 mm in FMJ. It's an inexpensive gun, the ammunition penetrates car bodies effectively, the muzzle blast, especially at night, is frightening. I have it situated in a flat safe of the finger operated code type under the front passengers seat to the rear. Of course I'm carrying my CC weapon all the time also. So, there it is. My problem now is the so called "Paratrooper Carbines" have gone so far up in price I may have to swap that one out.
 
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On the takedown shotgun idea, Savage made the 520 that takes down just like the 1897. It is another JM Browning design (so it works) but doesn't have the collector appeal that the 97 does.

I picked mine up for $100 and cut the barrel down to 19 inches. Both sections fit in a small duffel bag.

Not ideal for self defense, but reassembles pretty quickly and you can always find 12 ga ammo.
 
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I was recently watching an episode of "Wild West Alaska", where they were demonstrating their "Co-Pilot" rifle. I'm not sure I'd want one that has been rebarreled in to one of their "signature" calibers, but left in .45-70. I've got a 500yd sillouette load and a 100 yds gallery load (using Unique) that would give me a nice versatility. Alas at this time I can't afford $2,200. Not with attending 3 matches a year in the US. Next wednesday, the wife and I are shooting the SASS State Championships in Wyoming
 
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Since you qualify for NFA stuff, why not get a folding stock for a shorty M4? Somebody makes one, but you can't fire it with the stock folded. Of course, a pistol AR can utilized a real folding stock. Pistol stuff or even 30C dont penetrate cars very well, so a folder on the 30 ak or even the SKS might be the best answer. The weight is not an issue for a vehicle-carried rifle. CorBon makes a 150 gr sp for the .30 ak that is very close to 30-30 ballistics, for when you poach deer. Ark deer are small, so the 223 could handle them ok.
 
Old 05-25-2015, 05:18 PM   #52
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I am kicking around doing an AR pistol myself for my a build.

White Oak does a pretty exceptional barrel for either a pistol or SBR. IIRC a little under 11". Probably go with an Anderson lower and an Aero precision upper or maybe an Anderson upper.

So much new stuff out on the AR market everyday it seems hard to choose on the rest of the parts.
 
Old 06-17-2015, 08:24 PM   #53
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if you're gong to bother with a longarm at all, why not have one that will shoot thru cars, since the weight is not an issue. Dump the silly 454 or the 30C and get an SKS, with some of the corbon sp's and some of the old steel cored .30 AK ammo. pistol caliber carbines have only 2 uses. As a home defense gun for those who can't be bothered to learn to use a pistol well enough, and as a mount for a silencer, with subsonic ammo.
 
Old 06-28-2015, 05:40 AM   #54
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When I have stowed vehicle guns lately, I may or may not have been able to lay hands on a Type 53 with 200 rounds of 182 grain ball on strippers,an SKS spiker with the same loadout and,on occasion a PPS43 C that was originally going to be an SBR project. But,it runs good on its own,with all 9 magazines... Yes,I'm never without ear plugs.
 
Old 04-11-2016, 12:23 PM   #55
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if you've got time enough to unlimber a longarm from a vehicle, especially a hidden one, taken down, folded, etc, you've certainly got time to install a set of "earvalve" earplugs, which let you hear normal sounds, but which block blasts. There's no reason to not just lanyard a "squeeze-open" case to your belt, right above the pocket where the case is carried. Then they are always with you and swift to access.
 
Old 04-11-2016, 12:26 PM   #56
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That's actually what I do- one set in my shirt pocket, another two in a pouch at my waist...trying to keep the hearing I still have. Always a good reminder, though.
 
Old 04-11-2016, 04:21 PM   #57
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Used to be able to get the Sonic earplugs at Walmart that worked well had a dark blue squeeze open case.

I kind of lost track of them after getting all the throwaway freebie ones when I worked industrial security. Plus a LGS used to give away free earmuff type one if you bought a new gun so I got a bunch laying around home, range bag and car.

I need to look into a new set of Sonics or find my old one though I'll be lucky if they have not dried and cracked.
 
Old 04-11-2016, 04:44 PM   #58
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they are $11 a pair at amazon, these days. the ability to hear normal sounds is critical in a fight. regular plugs or muffs do not offer that option. Hence my willingness to pay 20x as much as for "normal" earplugs. I dont trust them for practice, tho. No reason to beat them up and no reason to risk losing any more of my hearing.
 
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