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Old 02-13-2005, 04:02 AM   #1
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just do a roll call of the WINNERS at 600 yd stage

of service rifle matches, even the High Power matches, much less the IPSC combat rifle matches (even with the "minor caliber" handicap, the 223 is the winner, almost always in the AR.



 
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Old 02-13-2005, 07:38 AM   #2
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Paper targets do not shoot back, lame.
 
Old 02-13-2005, 08:17 AM   #3
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of service rifle matches, even the High Power matches, much less the IPSC combat rifle matches (even with the "minor caliber" handicap, the 223 is the winner, almost always in the AR.
600 is piece of cake. Go for 1k yard. I havent competed but damn, why stop short, 600 is still M1A range. My LRPT was tested by the gunsmith who made it and it grouped .75 MOA @ 700 (an entire inch less than a majority of his creations; made me feel special) from the bench.
 
 
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paper does nto shoot back. But then you still got shot on a paper target match.

By yoru own self.

Wow youa re pathetic.
 
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The asshole is right. The AR now rules the highpower matches and about 90% of highpower service rifle shooters use the AR.

And also the AR was won the 1,000 yard service rifle nationals at Camp Perry two or three years in a row.
 
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Ye sbut he is trying to tell us Highpower at 600 equalt real combat. Those are specialized guns for special purpose.

A rack grade M1A will do just fien at 600.
 
Old 02-14-2005, 04:04 PM   #7
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so WHAT, punk? your lame assed 308 can't HANDLE it, REGARDLESS of the range, old man.



 
Old 02-14-2005, 04:06 PM   #8
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YOU ain't shooting back, if I put an 80 gr vld in you, at 600 yds, old fool. Not well enough to hit me, anyway, it I stood there and let you TRY for the full minute it MIGHT take you to bleed out from a 223 chest hit, old fool.



 
Old 02-14-2005, 04:07 PM   #9
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223 sp is TWICE the manstopper that your .30 C ball EVER was, you old fool.



 
Old 02-14-2005, 04:14 PM   #10
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Uhhh, who are you talking to nitwit? Had a Alzheimers test lately?

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Old 02-14-2005, 04:31 PM   #11
 
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Hmmm, must be jealous of Hard Ball again, since he's actually BTDT, and CowardKid just slept on his shift.
 
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I don't shoot in matches, since shooting IS just a hobbie, but I don't think many matches are won with 10 inch CAR's.
 
Old 02-14-2005, 05:44 PM   #13
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Long Range marksmanship is an aquired skill, that is achieved only by hard, dilligent work. Virtually any bullet can reach 1,000 yds, the important question is, does it retain enough accuracy and power to inflict damage on the intended target. Gunkid, the 10 " CAR might be able to fire a round that will reach 1000 yds. But its a guaranteed bet that you behind the trigger couldn't hit a 4 foot army target!!
 
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I can’t even see a guy at 1000 meters with out an 80x scope or some ****...and I have 20/10 vision (corrected, now)
So who cares?
I live in the city and will probably never be able to identify [IFF] a target at that range. If I am lucky enough to engage a target at that range (due to target movement, not my abilities) with impunity, and be able to extricate, and gain some benefit there of...I should probably buy a lottery ticket.

That being said:

There are a billion SHTF scenarios that this might fall under, and several Scout/Sniper/Sapper functions that might fall into them. And then you consider if you're part of team, with members serving specific functions..etc, etc, etc.

So ballistics aside, this is moot.
Big time.

Pic your weapons system, be aware of limitations and capabilities, and go with it.
 
Old 02-14-2005, 09:47 PM   #15
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LOTS of them WOULD be, if they were set up to simulate realistic combat, with silencers on them, and idiots WITHOUT ear protection trying to shoot everything else. I'm right, and my detractors are fos, chicken****, cheap, and inept.



 
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So is your point, or context, that an AR with suppressor would be able to engage multiple long range targets decisively, And the fact they [probably] can't shoot large bore weapons well (due to report, recoil, cheap surplus crap arms, and other factors) at long ranges in a similar long range multiple target fashion will give you an edge?

If that is an accurate interpretation of your "start mid subject-abbreviate the **** out of everything-use way to many commas" style, then I would have to agree with you.

This would probably be the case with most armchair commandos you might encounter... who got spotted first, then ability. In that order.
 
Old 02-14-2005, 10:41 PM   #17
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It'd be the case with ANYBODY, sonny. They are stupid to be in open country in daylight. you don't GET long range shots in thick cover or darkness, and that's the only place an intellligent man would BE. NOBODY gets hits at long ranges on dodging, cover using men, while being shot at. Can't be done, just like 3 minute mile can't be done. Impossible.



 
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Let's look at some of the fallacies:

1.) he assumes that people are going to be standing around like dIPStiC targets.
2.) he assumes people can't shoot any weapon except a .22 well, because HE can't.
3.) he assumes he'll be dodging and weaving and rushing from cover to cover 24/7
4.) he assumes he'll always be able to pick the fight.
5.) he assumes he can't be forced out of his cover.
6.) he assumes noone has suppressors for their .30 cals
7.) he assumes his suppressor will work (PVC pipe with faucet screen?)
8.) he assumes if he has a suppressed weapon, that the report of his "enemy's" weapons won't effect him.
9.) he assumes he'll have a suppressed weapon (which he doesn't have now, despite his braying and eDrooling, he IS afraid of his PO)
10.) he assumes he'll have any weapon (which he doesn't have now, despite his braying and eDrooling, he IS afraid of his PO)
11.) he assumes he has survival skills (between "the Army never taught me nuffin'" and his 1/2 ftxs, it's doubtful)
12.) he assumes a mylar blanket is all the protection he needs from the cold, when he lives in COLORADO (although he thinks he's in the Sierras)
13.) he assumes he can move quietly through heavy cover at night
14.) he assumes he's going to ambush people and they won't be able to figure out where he is, and kill him

Problem is, all of his assumptions are incorrect. Given his past history (arrested by meter maids, surrendering to phone calls, admitting to willingly be a rag doll in the joint because he had to do what he had to do, spending half days outdoors) his chances are about nil. Less than a girl scout's.
 
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