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Old 01-11-2021, 09:50 PM   #1
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in 2 hours, it'll be 30F here

so I'll be testing the tyvek house wrap bivvy and the breathable mylar bivvy again, maybe for all night, if I can get to sleep. I'll pop the pill now, so that I'll be drowsy by then. I'll be wearing the netting wraps as longjohns. cause the bivvies by themselves do not suffice at such a temp (for me, at least) Somebody with better circulation than mine, with a hot meal and hot drink in them, with a bit of exercise before bedding down, more accustomed to the cold, or more willing to risk catching pneumonia, they might be ok. But that aint me (any more, at least). 30 years ago, I risked a lot more than that, and I DID nearly die of pneumonia, thanks to my pos brother having spent most of the $1000 that I'd saved up in 3 years of prison. That would be 4k in today's money gd it. I should have killed him for that.
 
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Old 01-12-2021, 06:42 AM   #2
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I switched the "non breathable"mylar bootie onto the left foot and that warmed it. It got down to 26F and I had tried two sets of polypro longjohn pants. They are not as warm as the netting-wraps! My legs and feet get cold first. I did two hours starting at 30F and going down to 26F and got no sleep. There was quite a bit of condensation up around my head, but not enough to drip on me. Still, this set up is not adequate, long term, below about 35 and that's WITH the net wraps. So it's going to take the the armor to get it down to 30, and the drum-liner wraps to get down to 20F (and sleep well). Fortunately, that's plenty of warmth for this area.
 
Old 01-12-2021, 06:56 AM   #3
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humidity is 94% here. I think that effects the dew point, which effects when/how much condensation I get in the bivvies. I could exercise and shiver my way thru a night with just the bivvies and the net-wraps at 20F, but to get good sleep, I'd also need the drum-liner/wraps. To handle 10F, I'd need the armor and the heavy coat. The coat would go over my legs when sleeping.
 
 
Old 01-12-2021, 07:23 AM   #4
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Outside, doped up, sleeping in garbage, what could go wrong. Like the old redneck saying, "here, hold my beer", while I do more stupid stuff.
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Old 01-12-2021, 07:38 AM   #5
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If you have to drug yourself, your gear is wrong.

You really should look at the cowboy bedroll concept, which is basically what you’re trying to do.

And what armor are you sleeping in? Plate carrier?
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Old 01-12-2021, 08:12 AM   #6
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...my pos brother having spent most of the $1000 that I'd saved up in 3 years of prison. That would be 4k in today's money gd it. I should have killed him for that.
Wow. "Should have killed your own brother" for spending less than a thousand dollars of your money without permission. Good call.


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humidity is 94% here. I think that effects the dew point...
John - please. You 'think' humidity affects dew point. American 4th graders and third-world farmers know that it can easily make 20 (and sometimes nearly 30) degrees of difference in the dew point; yet a self-proclaimed genius survival expert isn't sure?

I really am trying to point these things out kindly and politely, but if you're not sure (and it really IS okay to not be sure and even to admit that you're not sure), you could simply look it up rather than blindly flinging words onto the internet.
 
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blindly flinging words onto the internet.

That is all Mel lives for.
 
Old 01-12-2021, 08:30 AM   #8
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Fwiw, here's a decent 'at a glance' chart to help see trends & patterns in how temperature & humidity interact to determine dewpoint. This is from a paint-related site, pointing out that it applies to a lot more than end-of-the-world survivalism.



From http://www.khakipaintingtips.com/201...aint_7968.html
 
Old 01-12-2021, 10:26 AM   #9
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Wow. "Should have killed your own brother" for spending less than a thousand dollars of your money without permission. Good call.



John - please. You 'think' humidity affects dew point. American 4th graders and third-world farmers know that it can easily make 20 (and sometimes nearly 30) degrees of difference in the dew point; yet a self-proclaimed genius survival expert isn't sure?

I really am trying to point these things out kindly and politely, but if you're not sure (and it really IS okay to not be sure and even to admit that you're not sure), you could simply look it up rather than blindly flinging words onto the internet.

Again, it goes to the whole discipline issue. He could repair a lot of his standing with just a little effort. His complete lack of discipline has gotten him banned from every website on the planet, except this one.

simply putting his posts in the correct forum would be a start, followed by putting a title in the title and then links to videos in the body of the post. Being unable to do these very simple things, that every other person on the internet has mastered, including small children, would make him a lot more credible than he is today.
 
Old 01-12-2021, 10:43 AM   #10
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You're relatively new to the gunkid world; when you've dealt with him for decades, nothing will surprise or disappoint anymore.

It's like watching a mental patient eat checkers or something - you wish you could help him, but after he screams at you enough times that you're just too stupid to understand why checkers are the perfect food, you come to lower your expectations.
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Old 01-12-2021, 10:47 AM   #11
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You're relatively new to the gunkid world; when you've dealt with him for decades, nothing will surprise or disappoint anymore.

It's like watching a mental patient eat checkers or something - you wish you could help him, but after he screams at you enough times that you're just too stupid to understand why checkers are the perfect food, you come to lower your expectations.
I'm starting to see it. He's like a pet or mascot here - the special ed kid that you allow on the football team so he feels like he is a real football player. I guess it just irritates me that someone can be so clueless about how they are being self-destructive in almost everything they post.

What's really sad, is some of the stuff isn't bad conceptually, but he can't get beyond that and understand reality.
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Old 01-12-2021, 11:24 AM   #12
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the $1000 that I'd saved up in 3 years of prison. That would be 4k in today's money gd it.
WOW Melvin, that's a lot of cash, $1,000 in 3 years! Mind you my current MONTHLY pensions are in excess of $4,000.00. How much are yours, just curious?
 
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SSI is not a pension. By his own admission he never worked anywhere long enough to get a pension and you can't get a VA disability and an SSI disability. It's one or the other.
 
Old 01-12-2021, 03:29 PM   #14
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That fu##ing leech should never get anything from the VA, it should be only for people that deserve it AN EARN IT!
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Old 01-12-2021, 03:53 PM   #15
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He's either using the wrong kind of long johns, or he's being about the net wraps - though without pictures it's hard to know what he's doing.

but we will never see a single picture - can't photograph something that isn't real.
 
Old 01-12-2021, 04:14 PM   #16
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That fu##ing leech should never get anything from the VA, it should be only for people that deserve it AN EARN IT!
Note nothing to do with Melvin but screwed up thing is many times it's easier to get SSI than VA disability.

Even if wounded in combat like my cousin Jack was.. Got wounded from a mortar round shattered jaw, one eye permanently damaged, had to go through reconstructive surgery on one side of his face. And had a damaged back. He could never get a penny from the VA even though they treated his eye and gave him free glasses!
Sorry about the rant but it still chaps my ass over the shenanigans the VA sometimes does to service people when they can get away with it.
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Note nothing to do with Melvin but screwed up thing is many times it's easier to get SSI than VA disability.

Even if wounded in combat like my cousin Jack was.. Got wounded from a mortar round shattered jaw, one eye permanently damaged, had to go through reconstructive surgery on one side of his face. And had a damaged back. He could never get a penny from the VA even though they treated his eye and gave him free glasses!
Sorry about the rant but it still chaps my ass over the shenanigans the VA sometimes does to service people when they can get away with it.
what will really frost you, is it used to be that the quality of care and coverage you got varied by facility. You were more likely to get covered and treated at Bay Pines in Clearwater, than at the VA in Phoenix. Depending on the exact issue.

supposedly it has gotten better, but I don't know if they have finally gotten it consistent across facilities...
 
Old 01-12-2021, 05:10 PM   #18
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Well what finally did my cousin in was when the Agent Orange he was exposed to started to kick in and started off as type 2 diabetes then bladder and prostate cancer.
And of course they dicked around treating him here so he moved back to Chicago area for the last time..which delayed stuff even more.
 
Old 01-12-2021, 07:00 PM   #19
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I have to say the Veteran's Administration has been nothing but excellent to me. I was on private health care for most of my 23 year career and it was poor to mediocre. I went for the full physical and entered VA medical care and it was night and day. You make a 1:00 p.m. appointment to a private physician and you may see him at 2:30 p.m. and he's looking at his watch the whole time. At the VA 1:00 means 1:00. Your in the office getting your vitals taken and the you may have to wait a whole 5 minutes to see your health care professional and he or she is making an apology for the wait. Meanwhile you blood work is being done. No rush, they want to hear from you. They don't get paid by the patient. Everything free from glasses to hearing aids. I do have a Service Connected Disability, but they treat all their patients the same whether you tripped and fell during basic training or zigged when you should have zagged in combat. SSI generally pay's more and is easier to get than a non-service connected disability. There's Veteran Service Officers and a Veteran's Hot Line if you think your not getting the care or money you deserve. Sorry, long winded.
 
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I think a lot of it has to do with how well things are administored at various VA Hospitals plus individual doctors and specialists. Just like regular hospitals and medical professionals. I do wish they all had the same high standards but that's just not always the case.
One issue is some facilities are just plain overburdened particularly here. Arkansas has one of the highest military service, both current and former, per capita.
And I sure remember lowering the flag enough both times I worked for the UofA Engineering Dept in maintenance and administration jobs; after 9/11.
 
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