Garand

If Melvin's fantasy ever comes about and you have to bug out, how easy is it to move your ammunition? What would you pack it in? What would be the maximum weight per container?

John in AR

How easy? - not at all. There's just a lot involved; there's factory ammo, reloads, reloading components, even bulk lead for casting bullets. Lot of bulk, and everything about it except powder is inherently heavy.

That said, if I were ever faced with a bugout situation, I wouldn't try to carry it all; I'd try to carry enough to get me 'out' of whatever problem I was in. That's a part of why I like medium calibers over heavy calibers for defensive purposes. There's just less weight and burden involved in trying to carry a full kit of 5.56 vs 30-06 or something.

And all THAT said, I can't envision many bugout-necessary situations to begin with. I'm no longer young, our business is in a pretty rural location, and our home is in a VERY rural location. Short of a location-specific situation that made it impossible to stay at home, there's just not many places better for us to bug out to.

'Home is where the heart is', as they say; and in our case, it's also where the big, isolate-able concrete storm cellar is.

boati

you're not moving any ammo, other than the carry load. Which is why you need a silencer and a .22lr conversion unit. Also why you need armor, night vision, skill and sneakiness, as well as caches. Cause you aint gonna get to stay where you are. It'll be very simple to smoke you out and probably easy to snipe you, too. Since almost everyone is dumb enough to be out and about during daylight hours.

Garand

and the fantasy returns..........................

John in AR

Again I ask for historical precedent for this - for scenarios where the only people who survived long-term were those who ran to the woods. You've said history is "full" of examples, so please share a half-dozen or so.

Garand

Melvin, if the "balloon ever went up", and you had to leave your primary residence most intelligent people would bring as much required equipment if possible to their eventual destination. If they couldn't make it in one trip it might have to be cached. Having it easily transportable at a moments notice might help you down the road.

Jammer Six

No disaster other than war has ever affected the entire continental U.S.

Water, power, natural gas. If we lose one of them, fine. If we lose two of them, we're out of here. We're going where the lights are still on, the coffee is still hot, and credit cards still work, however far that is.

We'll be back when the mess is cleaned up.

boati

if you need much ammo at all for shtf, you're doing so many things wrong that you wont make it. If you survive needing 200 rds of 223 and 1000 rds of 22lr in 10 years, it wiil be by sheer luck. You just dont understand enough about how to avoid trouble or how to win if you can't avoid it.

Garand

Melvin, there is nothing written anywhere that accurately gives figures of what amount and nature of ammo that would be required covering the wildly diverse geographical area covered by North America. Fine, limit yourself, refuse to think outside the box. A person that has properly planned ahead will have a cache at their eventual location. Bringing additional supplies, is just common sense.