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Terry G 10-18-2016 02:31 PM

Reloading Cost?
 
Bulk 9MM seems pretty inexpensive to me, so I was wondering what our re-loaders would say is the cost from scratch of 9MM re-loads? I mean equipment, brass , powder, primer's and bullets. After the initial outlay, what would you day is the average cost of a practice round?

Garand 10-18-2016 03:17 PM

I had to build 500 rds for my wife for a match earlier this month, because she could only use cast lead bullets as directed by the match director. I don't like it, period. It is far more time consuming than most calibers due to the small size of the cartridge case.

justme 10-18-2016 03:21 PM

if you don't cast your own bullets, out of nearly free lead, it's not worth doing in 9mm, even with a progressive. You'll be making a whopping $3 an hour with a single station press, even if you get bulk/sale prices on primers and powder, and if your brass is range pickups. If a cheapskate like me wont do it, it's definitely not worth doing. To make 223 worth loading, you have to get free brass, 7c per bullet blems or rejects, (free shipping for bulk purchase) and Ebay type prices on powder and you have to have a progressive press.

justme 10-18-2016 03:23 PM

if you look around, buy bulk, sales, etc, you can have 20c each 9mm, in your hand. With bullets at 8c each, primers and powder at 3c each, to hell with that. Not worth sorting thru the berdan primed cases from the range, and gathering/cleaning them.

Garand 10-18-2016 04:17 PM

So Melvin, exactly when did you reload 9mm last?

John in AR 10-18-2016 05:20 PM

On equipment, I can't say what the cost is. It's piled up over the years (decades) to the point where I have one single-stage press and two (low-dollar) progressive presses, mechanical and digital scales, all kinds of things that I really don't have any idea what the total cost is, and wouldn't be necessary for a new reloader anyway.

On the cost of the reloads themselves, it's not the bargain it used to be but it's still pretty good; and I'm fortunate in that I actually enjoy it, so that's a bonus.
IIRC, the last 9mm brass I bought was $40 per thousand, but Iím not sure on that. Say I maybe get five loadings out of it, between lost or damaged brass. Itís probably more than that, but I like to estimate close to worst-case, so say five loadings. That makes it $8 or so per thousand rounds in brass cost.

Powder, maybe $25 a pound nowadays..? For 9mm, say 1500-1700 rounds per pound or $15 per thousand or so.

Primers - $30-$35 per thousand

Not counting bullets, $55-$60 per thousand in all maybe. Buying bullets will probably mean another $100 or so per thousand, at least for jacketed or plated. (I cast mine, so itís been a while since I bought any)

Another great reason to cast bullets; if I shoot 8-10k of 9mm rounds a year, that's around $800-$1000 it saves me. (And a thousand dollars is more than a week's pay for me, so I personally don't mind the time invested. I enjoy it, much like I enjoy reading a book or watching a movie.)

FordPrefect 10-19-2016 11:19 AM

Value of Accuracy..?
 
I've been led to believe that an often overlooked value of reloading is the better accuracy that can be achieved.. If this is correct, then this factor ought to be included in any cost comparison..

John in AR 10-19-2016 01:02 PM

[QUOTE=FordPrefect;259369]I've been led to believe that an often overlooked value of reloading is the better accuracy that can be achieved...[/QUOTE]
I know some rifle guys who can attest to that, and will spend [i]hours[/i] if you let them, telling you about their pet loads.

I don't load much rifle stuff, and what I do is mostly handgun-caliber rifle stuff, mostly just .454 casull and .357 magnum loads that are tailored for rifle-length barrels. I have the dies & such to load .223 & .308 and have dabbled with it a couple times, but don't do it regularly. A large part of it is that for me, reloading is relaxing and enjoyable, but reloading bottlenecked calibers isn't as much fun as the straight-walled stuff; it's frankly almost like work.

I'm fortunate in that my only two .308 rifles both shoot factory ammo as accurately as they're going to shoot anything if I'm the one pulling the trigger; plus I just don't shoot much .308 regardless. I probably don't shoot 150-200 rounds of it a year. I do shoot a lot more .223, but until just a year or two ago I was shooting a lot of polymer-coated steel-cased (ie, cheap) stuff, with a bunch of good stuff put back. I started shooting nothing but brass-cased stuff and am now just saving the brass and sitting on other components.

The handgun stuff, on the other hand - I actually enjoy reloading things like 9mm, .45, .357, etc. The fact that I can do it with ridiculously cheap bullets that I cast from mostly-free wheelweights, makes my total cost around $60 per thousand, which is another thing I like about it. Can't help it, I'm a cheapskate at heart... :)

justme 10-19-2016 03:23 PM

irrelevant with pistols, unless you have match grade stuff, contender, etc and compete at the highest levels, or varmint hunt at maximal ranges, for crows and prairie dogs now, not coyotes. Coyotes are big enough for accuracy gains of reloads to not be an issue.

Terry G 10-19-2016 04:33 PM

[QUOTE=justme;259386]irrelevant with pistols, unless you have match grade stuff, contender, etc and compete at the highest levels, or varmint hunt at maximal ranges, for crows and prairie dogs now, not coyotes. Coyotes are big enough for accuracy gains of reloads to not be an issue.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree as far as pistol ammunition goes. I get very acceptable accuracy with Winchester or Remington bulk ammunition at 25 yards with my 9 MM's. Ditto with the .45's. Golden Sabre rounds give all the accuracy I'll ever need for combat carry.

John in AR 10-20-2016 10:01 AM

[QUOTE=justme;259386]irrelevant with pistols, unless you have match grade stuff, contender, etc and compete at the highest levels, or varmint hunt at maximal ranges, for crows and prairie dogs now, not coyotes. Coyotes are big enough for accuracy gains of reloads to not be an issue.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Terry G;259402]I tend to agree as far as pistol ammunition goes. I get very acceptable accuracy with Winchester or Remington bulk ammunition at 25 yards with my 9 MM's. Ditto with the .45's. Golden Sabre rounds give all the accuracy I'll ever need for combat carry.[/QUOTE]

+1 both. Even a mediocre load in a 9mm or similar-caliber pistol is usually fine for the kind of things I do with pistols. And even a crap load is still usually more than acceptably accurate for close-in drills.


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