justme

if you can toss up a couple of soda cans with the hand that clears your garment, draw and hit both in the air with your .22lr, you're way ahead of terry or garand with a .45. :-) mainly cause you can probably get the attack to stop with just the sight of your gun. but also, many an attack is stopped with just miss, or a poor hit or with a "mere" .22. And the man who can do the above can hit the brain, if he must. A solid hit, anywhere on the head, even if it doesn't hit the cranium, is still quite likely to disrupt his activity for at least a fraction of a second, and that's all a skilled man needs to put the next one into an eye socket, ear-hole, or nostril.

John in AR

Agree. Don't know how that would even be arguable.

Assumptions are dangerous things. If I've never seen what they're capable of, it's impossible for me to know what they're capable of. That's true of them, of me, of you, of everybody.

I've got a fair number of trophies and I know garand has a bunch of trophies. He competes internationally, so he's got me beat.

Never seen any of TerryG's, but that's exactly the same number we've seen of yours, if you think about it.

Garand

Thanks John, I'm just a dedicated shooter, there are people worse than me and people better than me. Honestly all it takes to shoot internationally is being willing to do the paperwork, have the time to travel and the money to do it. I've been crossing the US/Canada border for about 7 years to compete and I have had lots of fun and met a lot of good people to boot.

Melvin has never seen me shoot, despite the invitations to get together when I've been south. I consider this very cowardly on his part, of course so is beating up a dog, but I digress.

Terry G

I ain't gotta prove nuttin to youse guy's.

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John in AR

{I initially posted this in one of the below threads, but being in the "Off Topic / Lounge" section of the site, it doesn't show on the main page so I thought I'd put it here in a "skill" thread, in a subforum that does show on the home page}

John - just wanted to comment on these:
This is what I'm referring to when I talk about shooting being a perishable skill. It involves movement, hand-eye coordination, muscle memory, etc, and if not kept up with, will deteriorate just as anything does. Not trying to be insulting or contentious, but hoping that by using your own words, you might be more open to considering the concept that physical activities and skills do require consistent practice to stay fresh and current. I used to ice skate when I lived up north in the 70's and 80's, but know that I don't have the same ability now; simply because I haven't kept up with it. I certainly have the strength, as I'm stronger now than I was then, but lack of practice and maintenance has made that skill drop off hugely. Similarly, when starting with the musical targets a few months ago, I realized a shooting weakness of mine that I was completely unaware of. Traversing left to right is no challenge, but right to left was surprisingly awkward at first. It's understandable and even predictable, since left to right is how plate racks & such almost always get shot, but it simply hadn't occurred to me until actually having to go back & forth shooting/traversing in both directions under a time constraint.

All I'm saying is that (as you yourself say above), the absence of continual effort to maintain a skill results in quick degradation of a skill.

Dorobuta

I go by the assumption that everybody is faster and better than I am. that way any surprises are the good kind. I know I need to work on my drawing and shooting. For better or worse, it hasn't been a priority. I do however practice rifle and long distance shooting quite often. I also spend a lot of the time in the field and shoot my bow several times a week.

My focus isn't on end of the world stuff.

And while I know it can happen, I doubt I'll be in any more firefights. I'd rather enjoy hunting and shooting on my terms.

Garand

Melvin, its summer time, I'm on the range a minimum of twice a week. How many times a week do you pull triggers Melvin?

boati

Wifey's instructor braced a 1911 22lr on a pole and at 7 yds, put 5 rds per second into the 4" B zone on the head. she said 'wow". :-) Once you get really good, it doens't take much practice at al to shoot A class at the smaller matches. If you can react, pivot 180 degrees, draw from surrender, hit the A zone at 10 yds, reload and hit it again in 2.8 seconds, you can run a sub 6.0 second (open wear) El Presidente pretty easily. that's.35 second each for 4 traverses, and then 6 repeat hits, .30 second each. Nothing all that tough about it. Most people lose all their time on the reload. todays guys, with their huge mag well funnels and basepads, reload in sub 1.0 second quite easily, but I'm talking a standard gun.

Garand

Melvin, when is the last time "wifey" competed? Its been a month since mine has and we are heading to a 4 day march in the middle of August.

John in AR

Assuming five rounds total in one second from start to finish; that means .25 split times.

Using an easy-to-shoot gun (1911) in the easiest-to-shoot caliber (.22LR), from a braced position, at 7 yards is good. Not world class, but good.

I years ago showed video of getting 0.21 and 0.22 splits, using a harder-to-shoot gun (M&P), in a caliber three times as powerful (9mm), unsupported standing position. To be fair, my targets were substantially larger than yours (12" instead of 4"), but they were also nearly 70% further away (35' vs 21').

And here's my main point: I'm not great. I'm decent but not great. Shooting rimfire ammo 7 yards at a smallish target out of a braced 1911 with .25 splits is decent, but nowhere near great; and certainly not "world-class".

And also have to keep in mind that when it's all said & done, these are just undocumented claims you're making, not something documented or verified.

gripper

I'm lucky if I can shoot every eight weeks or so
Obviously my rifle work degrades at a slower pace than pistol work.. But oddly enough, doing" draw and shoot" drills from 7-15 yards (including single arm strong side, malfunction/transition to weak hand,and two handed offhand and barricade work was undiminished. What DID show decline was actually working from the " low/high ready position, muzzle downrange" and simply holding in a Weaver stance waiting to shoot at the command" . Different for me-usually it's the opposite.

boati

air soft training, with the same sort of gun, seems to do just fine for the draw and gun handling part of things. .22 unit practice keeps a Class A hand performing just fine for realistic stuff, 5m and less, , 1-2 chests Draw from ccw and hit one, 1.0 second or less, from under a T shirt, 1.25 to hit two, with them being 10 ft apart, edge to edge, starting hands at sides, using the little Sig.

Terry G

YOUR doing this Melvin? Shooting a .22 LR Sig? Airsoft is no where near a .22 Semi-Automatic for real practice. The .22 S&W Compact I just bought is a whole new experience and it will take me a while to get used to it. That's a fact of life. Getting good at shooting Airsoft means your getting good at shooting Airsoft. Nothing more.