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Old 09-19-2007, 08:38 PM   #1
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Armageddon ready: 80,000 bullets in house

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...OCAL/708310564

Armageddon ready: 80,000 bullets in house

SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Authorities removed nearly 80,000 rounds of ammunition from a home of a man they say warned that the world was going to end.

Kevin W. Rieder, 38, was charged with illegal possession of ammunition while he was subject to a restraining order taken out by an ex-girlfriend, said Assistant U.S. Attorney Donald Schmidt.

Rieder "believed that the world economy was going to crash and society would become violent," according to a federal affidavit.

He told investigators, "You just have to protect yourself sometimes."
He will remain in custody until a bail and detention hearing Tuesday, Schmidt said.

South Bend police and agents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives blocked off streets around Rieder's small two-story home for six hours Wednesday while executing a search warrant and arresting Rieder.

Authorities removed 79,010 rounds of ammunition from the raid on the home that followed a six-month investigation, Schmidt said. It was the largest amount of ammunition confiscated by the Project Disarm task force since it was founded in April 2004, Rieder said.

The affidavit indicated that a mental health investigation found Rieder was delusional.

Rieder purchased 18,000 rounds of ammunition in three visits to the Midwest Gun Exchange store in Mishawaka, said owner Brad Foster.

"18,000 rounds is more than the normal purchase, but not out of the line that we do see on a regular basis," he said.

Foster said Rieder told store employees that the end of the world was coming.





Personally, I think that, that quantity is just a bit much!!
 
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:47 PM   #2
 
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Might be crazy.....might not........but,then again


80,000 rds will kill everybody in my county 2.5 times acording to the cencus numbers
 
Old 09-20-2007, 02:14 AM   #3
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80k. hehehe
 
 
Old 09-20-2007, 05:40 AM   #4
 
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Let me see if I have this correct. If someone pulls a restraining order against you you are not allowed to own ammunition? I'd like to know what makes owning ammo against the law. I'd also like to know what constituted delusional. Having 80k rounds or telling everyone the world is going to end.
 
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That must be different from here. From what I know, here we can't have firearms, bows/crossbows, etc if under a restraining order, but I never rear anything about ammo.
Of course it's all BS anyway, if someone wants to do you harm, they're going to violate the restraining order anyway, whether or not they have a gun.
 
Old 09-20-2007, 12:32 PM   #6
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Project Disarm task force? That sure gives me a nice warm fuzzy feeling.

As congress ratchets up the number of minor offenses that can neutralize a constitutional RIGHT, I guess they will be a busy bunch of fellows in that group.

Everyone felt the laws stating that felons could not have guns was just fine... Until, that is, the definition of what actually constitures a "felony" got kind of vague and widely interpretted by expanded laws.

So let's see, if I happen to tresspass onto a construction site and some prick has a bug up his butt that day, that qualifies me to lose my legal right to own firearms. Yep, sounds reasonable to me....
 
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I haven't been able to research this yet but a guy at work told me he had his guns taken away from him because he yelled at his girlfriend and his girlfriend called the cops and told them she didn't feel safe. He had to do 40 hrs of anger management and lost his gun priveleges in this state. Is there a such thing as a felony yelling? I hope not. I'll be in jail before the end of this post.
 
Old 09-20-2007, 08:10 PM   #8
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When I went through my divorce, my ex was having problems with depression, pills and alcohol. My marriage counciller warned me that she might try something vendictive, so I moved all my guns discretely to a close friends house. Three days later she phoned mental health and said "she was scared of me and that I had guns". Eighteen months later the divorce was settled, I recovered them from my buddy. Best move I ever made.
 
Old 09-20-2007, 10:00 PM   #9
 
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Sound strange to me, if girlfriend dont like ya anymore all she has to do is call the cops lose yer guns.?

I'd like to see cops come to my door and say "mr. mazak?. theres been a complaint from your neighbors about the noise from your shooting, the neighbors ars afraid you might suddenly snap and hurt sombody so we are taking you guns"

c'mon in!!!!!

mabey if you have been convicted of domistic violence there could be a reason.........., but like said before, if your gonna do it ,your gonna do it with or without your gun
 
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Yeah, this crap went south in a hurry. So now a spouse can basically have your constitutional right taken away without a jury trial or a conviction of any felony level crime. Why hasn't this crap made it to the Supreme Court? There is no way it will pass a constitutionality test. If the crime is serious enough to have a basic citizen's right (The Second Amendment) taken away, then it most certainly MUST be subject to the following items in the Bill of Rights as well:
  • The Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
  • The Fifth Amendment: [i}No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.[/i]
  • The Sixth Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
  • The Seventh Amendment: In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
  • The Eighth Amendment: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


No way, no how....
 
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Yeah, this crap went south in a hurry.

No way, no how....
We all know that judges write law now through 'interpretation' and whats left of our constitutional rights are eroding fast. Acts that were considered minor in nature 30-40 years ago are now felonys. It is possible, God help us, that we could all find ourselves in Gunkid's position: that of a felon with a gun.

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Sound strange to me, if girlfriend dont like ya anymore all she has to do is call the cops lose yer guns.?
Yeah I think so. The guy at work said the cops considered it assault that he yelled at her and considered domestic violence. He told me he had to do 40 hrs anger management and lost his gun rights. I don't know if he was convicted of anything or if this was a plea or what. I think he said something about 24-48hrs in jail too.
 
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Yes, even a shouting match is considered domestic violence these days. Funny thing is the neighbors can call the cops, have you arrested and lose your rights for domestic violence, even if the woman refuses to press any charges and swears a statement that there was no violence of any kind perpetrated.

it's also become fairly common these days for s girlfriend breaking up with someone to automatically call the cops and get a restraining order. Kiss your guns goodbye. I've bought friends' guns before ($1 and a bill of sale), fortunately it was just a restraining order, no DV charges, so he could buy them back after the order expired.
 
Old 09-21-2007, 10:07 AM   #14
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So, not only does your spouse have a controlling hand in your constitutional rights, but so do your neighbors..... Well, that's just DUCKY. Any asshole neighbor who knows you have guns and has a grudge against you can falsify a domestic violence complaint against you and who can contest it? It would be your word against theirs. Got a neighbor who doesn't like you shooting on your own property? Now they can do something about it.

And when the cops come to take away your guns, they will use your anger and resistance as plain evidence to the validity of the claim against you.

I can almost hear the founding fathers of this country spinning like tops in their graves.
 
Old 09-21-2007, 12:27 PM   #15
 
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Sad thing is, they're monsters built out of well-meaning legislation.
Too many guys got legitimate restraining orders against, them, were allowed to keep their guns and ended up shooting their ex. (Now removing guns from the equation just means they stab them or beat them to death. I mean, if you're going to commit murder who gives a **** about violating a restraining order?).

And the neighbor thing was justified because "Women are often too afraid to report a crime. Even if she denioes any wrongdoing on the man's part, they may be covering for him in fear." Also, if there is a domestic violence call, in many places, the police HAVE to arrest the man, even if he's doing nothing and it's clearly the woman who's the aggressor.

I advise my firends (who rarely listen) that if you're going to shack up with some broad, DO NOT LET HER MOVE IN. Move in with HER, and keep your own place. That way, you can make a quick egress back to your place with minimal loss.

The worst part is, now guys won't trust the good women. Which is the ironic thing about most of the "pro-women" movements and laws, is that it ends up screwing the good women worse than anyone.
 
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Well, yeah..... If the guys get to knowing that they are going to get arrested, no matter what, they might as well make it worthwhile. What's to lose at that point?
 
Old 09-22-2007, 07:47 AM   #17
 
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This kind of stuff really irks me. We are already pussies compared to our grandparents and great grandparents, now yelling is considered violent behaviour and against the law. I really don't belong in society at all if this is the case. Where can I move to where there is no society??
 
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I really dont get this, Are you serious when you tell me that a "complaint" gets a guys weapons taken away?, theres got to be more to the story. ........if thats the case why cant a person call in his neighbor for drinking a beer while driving with a small child walking around in the back seat with no sealtbelt( weather it happned or not) and have child services break up the family..... not so easy to do
 
Old 09-23-2007, 04:37 PM   #19
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wanna bet! About 17 years ago, I had an arguement with my oldest daughter at the time she was about 8-9 years old. I came home at lunch to feed her and she ended up watching TV to long to ride her bike back to school. I told her I was going to put the bike in our van and drive her to work, she got subborn and said no. I put the bike in the van, picked her up kicking and screaming and put on her seatbelt, all the while she was screaming. Got her to school and that was that. WRONG!!

8o'clock that night social services showed up, some busy body phoned them without not finding out the facts. I wanted to tell the bitch to just f**k off, but that would have been a very bad move on my part. They wouldn't tell me the name of my accuser.
 
Old 09-23-2007, 05:01 PM   #20
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This is scary. If it can happen to males then it can happen to females too. This is just wrong.

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