Bronze to Polymer, A 'Midas' Touch

microwave · 07-09-2007, 09:01 AM

The Quest continues to discover a suitable substitute for lead (Pb) for home
made ammo. Refer to my posts and replies on Bronze Bullets in this Forum.

Bronze is costly and requires a great deal of heat. I have chased this concept
down and not found an easy cast-able metallic replacement.

Next, I will be researching the Tungsten (W)/polymer matrix which may be
more suitable for home efforts.

I haven't totally abandoned metal, but a strong and accurate bullet is the
objective.......can't be sentimental.

More later.

P

Rich Z · 07-09-2007, 10:21 AM

I think the issue has always been density of the projectile. The more dense the material, the more energy it will carry at longer distances. If that is not an issue in a gun to be fired for short distances, than anything will likely do the job. There are many debates over the veliocity/weight argument about which is best for a given goal. For home defense use, I believe a strong argument can be made for extreme high velocity with a light weight fragmenting projectile. As long as the projectile can penetrate about two inches or so before coming unglued, that will pretty much satisfy the criteria of being an effective home use self defense round.

So any material that won't fragment right out of the barrel, provide reasonable accuracy, and is relatively easy to produce should fit the bill. Personally, I would look at plastics. Perhaps even a solid teflon projectile.

neolithic hunter · 07-09-2007, 11:09 PM

well if you can figure out what the U.S. military is now trying to use for it core replacement you would have a start. after all we don't want the bad guys getting lead poisning. it would be so in-humain to do that to them, and as far as i'm concerned f#%ck the EPA and there decisions.

.45 COLT · 07-11-2007, 05:53 AM

KENT uses a Tungsten/Polymer for some of their non-toxic shotshell loads. The shot isn't available as a reloading component in the North America, is sold in England. The loaded shells are sold here. Somebody there might talk to you about it.

KENT TUNGSTEN MATRIX

DC

microwave · 07-29-2007, 12:20 AM

Well no sooner than I acquire that warm fuzzy do I learn the DoA is back-
peddaling on Tungsten. Apparently new info regarding tungsten leeching into
the water table is showing some sort of synergetic reaction with other elements
and metals. Holy Moly, maybe I'll just make super tuff spit wads. Sh(insert
vowel)t! That would impact our Nation's forests! Dog dooty? Maybe that
would work?

I won't quit.........reinvestigating bronze only mixed with Bismuth. More later.

Paul

Rich Z · 07-29-2007, 12:23 PM

How about depleted uranium? Reserved for shooting terrorists only. Send the rounds overseas to the troops. Might help to solve the problems the nuclear energy dept has with getting rid of the stuff from the reactors at the same time....

brass hammer · 07-29-2007, 10:06 PM

"SIR-KNIGHT"

of the MICROWAVE 'roundtable' allow-me['iffin'you will] to 'lay-upon you certain "leap ahead INSIGHTS",,,[doot-doodle-ew/that's my trumpet]

24carat SOLID-GOLD-PROJO'S

neolithic hunter · 07-30-2007, 05:34 AM

i guess gold or silver would always be an option. a mite bit expensive but castable.

Rich Z · 07-30-2007, 11:52 AM

Well, the Lone Ranger could do it with his silver bullets....

I guess any bad guys that survived used the bullets to help pay the doctor bills for extracting them.....

brass hammer · 07-31-2007, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Z

Well, the Lone Ranger could do it with his silver bullets....

I guess any bad guys that survived used the bullets to help pay the doctor bills for extracting them.....

ha!,'iffin' THAT was the case I myself would probably 'don a red-headed-wig'/dance a 'jig'[in a wooded A.O. ,,,MIND-YOU],, to 'draw a little-fire'.

Rich Z · 08-01-2007, 12:02 AM

I guess a lot of folks wondered where the Lone Ranger did his target practice.. Probably well worth while digging bullets out of the berm......

microwave · 08-03-2007, 04:31 PM

D.U.

Ah, yes the 'inert' radioactive element. I don't think Uncle Sam wants any of it's citizens
messing with that stuff. Besides, the DoA was hoping Tungsten would replace DU.

As for the rest, Hmmm........ The quest has been suspended as work has intruded on
my scientific endeavors. Perseverance is the name, beating California DoJ is the game.

More later.

P

microwave · 08-11-2007, 12:12 PM

Just passing by........Silver, Ag, should be reserved for medical use. It is one hell of an
anti-bacterial agent!

So, you shoot a ne'er-do-well with a Ag bullet, he/she survives and actually cures the
cretin of any internal infection.

Yup, Ag is NOT a candidate!

P

07-09-2007, 09:01 AM	#1
microwave Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16	Bronze to Polymer, A 'Midas' Touch The Quest continues to discover a suitable substitute for lead (Pb) for home made ammo. Refer to my posts and replies on Bronze Bullets in this Forum. Bronze is costly and requires a great deal of heat. I have chased this concept down and not found an easy cast-able metallic replacement. Next, I will be researching the Tungsten (W)/polymer matrix which may be more suitable for home efforts. I haven't totally abandoned metal, but a strong and accurate bullet is the objective.......can't be sentimental. More later. P Last edited by microwave; 07-09-2007 at 09:03 AM. Reason: Need to add a bit more explanation/reference

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microwave Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16	Bronze to Polymer, A 'Midas' Touch Well no sooner than I acquire that warm fuzzy do I learn the DoA is back- peddaling on Tungsten. Apparently new info regarding tungsten leeching into the water table is showing some sort of synergetic reaction with other elements and metals. Holy Moly, maybe I'll just make super tuff spit wads. Sh(insert vowel)t! That would impact our Nation's forests! Dog dooty? Maybe that would work? I won't quit.........reinvestigating bronze only mixed with Bismuth. More later. Paul

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07-09-2007, 10:21 AM	#2
Rich Z Site Founder Joined: Feb 2002 From: Probably washing the vette.... Posts: 4,814	I think the issue has always been density of the projectile. The more dense the material, the more energy it will carry at longer distances. If that is not an issue in a gun to be fired for short distances, than anything will likely do the job. There are many debates over the veliocity/weight argument about which is best for a given goal. For home defense use, I believe a strong argument can be made for extreme high velocity with a light weight fragmenting projectile. As long as the projectile can penetrate about two inches or so before coming unglued, that will pretty much satisfy the criteria of being an effective home use self defense round. So any material that won't fragment right out of the barrel, provide reasonable accuracy, and is relatively easy to produce should fit the bill. Personally, I would look at plastics. Perhaps even a solid teflon projectile.

07-09-2007, 11:09 PM	#3
neolithic hunter Registered User Joined: Feb 2005 From: on the back porch Posts: 1,621	well if you can figure out what the U.S. military is now trying to use for it core replacement you would have a start. after all we don't want the bad guys getting lead poisning. it would be so in-humain to do that to them, and as far as i'm concerned f#%ck the EPA and there decisions.

07-11-2007, 05:53 AM	#4
.45 COLT Registered User Joined: Oct 2003 From: *** Posts:** 397	KENT uses a Tungsten/Polymer for some of their non-toxic shotshell loads. The shot isn't available as a reloading component in the North America, is sold in England. The loaded shells are sold here. Somebody there might talk to you about it. KENT TUNGSTEN MATRIX DC

07-29-2007, 12:23 PM	#6
Rich Z Site Founder Joined: Feb 2002 From: Probably washing the vette.... Posts: 4,814	How about depleted uranium? Reserved for shooting terrorists only. Send the rounds overseas to the troops. Might help to solve the problems the nuclear energy dept has with getting rid of the stuff from the reactors at the same time....

07-29-2007, 10:06 PM	#7
brass hammer Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,467	"SIR-KNIGHT" of the MICROWAVE 'roundtable' allow-me['iffin'you will] to 'lay-upon you certain "leap ahead INSIGHTS",,,[doot-doodle-ew/that's my trumpet] 24carat SOLID-GOLD-PROJO'S

07-30-2007, 05:34 AM	#8
neolithic hunter Registered User Joined: Feb 2005 From: on the back porch Posts: 1,621	i guess gold or silver would always be an option. a mite bit expensive but castable.

07-30-2007, 11:52 AM	#9
Rich Z Site Founder Joined: Feb 2002 From: Probably washing the vette.... Posts: 4,814	Well, the Lone Ranger could do it with his silver bullets.... I guess any bad guys that survived used the bullets to help pay the doctor bills for extracting them.....

08-01-2007, 12:02 AM	#11
Rich Z Site Founder Joined: Feb 2002 From: Probably washing the vette.... Posts: 4,814	I guess a lot of folks wondered where the Lone Ranger did his target practice.. Probably well worth while digging bullets out of the berm......

08-03-2007, 04:31 PM	#12
microwave Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16	D.U. Ah, yes the 'inert' radioactive element. I don't think Uncle Sam wants any of it's citizens messing with that stuff. Besides, the DoA was hoping Tungsten would replace DU. As for the rest, Hmmm........ The quest has been suspended as work has intruded on my scientific endeavors. Perseverance is the name, beating California DoJ is the game. More later. P

08-11-2007, 12:12 PM	#13
microwave Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16	Just passing by........Silver, Ag, should be reserved for medical use. It is one hell of an anti-bacterial agent! So, you shoot a ne'er-do-well with a Ag bullet, he/she survives and actually cures the cretin of any internal infection. Yup, Ag is NOT a candidate! P