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Old 03-05-2007, 02:20 PM   #1
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Is one million rounds really required??

Ammo, weapons, tunnel found in home

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NORCO, California (AP) -- More than 1 million rounds of ammunition, a cache of weapons and a tunnel were found at a man's home after an explosive fire that forced a neighborhood evacuation, authorities said Friday.

Crews worked to fortify the tunnel, which measured 5 feet wide by 8 feet long, to ensure it was safe. It appeared to be at least 10 feet deep and led into a backyard, authorities said.

The fire Thursday afternoon at the home in Norco, about 45 miles east of Los Angeles, caused some of the ammunition to explode.

The man tried to run back into the house after firefighters arrived and had to be restrained by sheriff's deputies, Riverside County Sheriff's Deputy Juan Zamora said.

After the blaze was extinguished, crews discovered metal and wooden boxes of ammunition for shotguns, small handguns and assault rifles.

On Friday, sheriff's deputies and agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives combed the house for evidence.

Dozens of metal and cardboard boxes filled with ammunition for shotguns, small handguns and assault rifles sat in a driveway. Two of the assault rifles were illegal, Zamora said.

The man had no permit for 75 pounds of black gunpowder that was also recovered, Zamora said.

No arrests had been made. The man, whose identity was not released, was taken to a hospital where he will receive a psychological evaluation, Zamora said.

Last April, authorities said they found more than 1,300 weapons and 89,000 rounds of ammunition in the San Bernardino County home of a man who claimed to belong to a militant group with aims to overthrow Cuban dictator Fidel Castro. Robert Ferro of Upland faces counts of unlawfully owning and failing to register guns.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/02/am...d.ap/index.html


Yes, yes we all know the story. Face it, one million rounds is just plain silly. So what is a realistic figure to set aside PER FIREARM? There is a possibility that at sometime that it might have to be moved, plus it might have to be moved descretely. I like to thing that at a minimum you should keep 600-700 rounds per firearm. Comments?
 
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:29 PM   #2
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Garand, as of right now I have about 500 rounds for everthing except .22 and shotshells. I've got about 3000 rounds of .22 cal., and about 200 rounds each 12 and 20 gauge. I don't know if that is enough, but it's what I got.
 
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Yes, yes we all know the story. Face it, one million rounds is just plain silly.
I only have a few hundred rounds for my Ar15 and maybe Two hundred rounds for my AK. I probably have Six hundred 12. gauge shells of different flavores. This guy went a little gonzo...I think he had other motivations for his store.
 
 
Old 03-05-2007, 05:11 PM   #4
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I've read of people on other forums who claim to have 10,000 rds of one caliber. As long as it harms no one I can't see a problem what with ammo prices increasing every day.

A million rds sounds a bit much though. Did they count every rd or estimate?

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Old 03-05-2007, 05:51 PM   #5
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I believe in keeping a barrels life (or frames life, where applicable) worth of ammo for every gun one possesses.

For people that simply can't (hence finding it unreasonable), I'd say what goes on their web gear + competition allotment + training allotment + whatever additional they can afford to get.
 
Old 03-05-2007, 06:46 PM   #6
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then you don't really want to know how much ammo i have stashed back for a rainy day. it more than 1 and less than 1,000,000. but i've got a few hungry guns to feed, and i didn't have to pay for most of it.
 
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I'd have to do some adding and updating on my ammo inventory sheet.

But off hand right now I know that I have At Least 1,000rds per Caliber and that's an understatment with a few of'em.
 
Old 03-06-2007, 12:28 AM   #8
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I honestly don't know how many rounds I have around here. But I'll tell you what, if you get into a mode where you have the time, and spend more time reloading than shooting, you CAN get a bunch of ammo stacked up pretty quickly. I know I have processed 5 gallon BUCKETS of brass at a time and reloaded them. And when I buy ammo, it is by the case lot to get the best prices.

I seriously doubt it is even close to a million rounds (even counting separate components to be MADE into ammo), but I would bet if some liberal pansy assed reported came in here and saw all that stuff, they would WRITE in their newspaper that it was a million rounds.......
 
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Yep they probably would.

Now long ago I did have a million rounds.

And they were round.

Got a whole I million count shipping case of Daisy Golden BB's , dang I wish I had kept just ONE of the "Treasure Chest" Boxes intact from back then.

That stuff out lasted about 5 different air rifles from the infamous Red Rider of Christmas Story fame up to the 880 and 881's of the pre-and early teen BB Gun Wars.
 
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Is it a bit much? Yes.

Is it anyone's business? No.
 
Old 03-06-2007, 05:50 PM   #11
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I suspect that when Clinton was in office and rumors were flying of extreme taxes or outright bans on ammunition, that MANY people did some major stocking up, just in case. It certainly couldn't hurt, as ammo with reasonable care will pretty much store away comfortably for the rest of your lifetime.
 
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If you count bricks of .22LR 1 million rds ain't that hard to get to anyways, IMHO.

No I ain't got THAT much .22lr but if you bought 1-2 bricks a week of the cheap stuff and factor in getting a case of centerfire rds now and then it's possible.
 
Old 03-07-2007, 11:51 AM   #13
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Well with the constant change in tide swings in political power, I think it wise that anyone who can afford to do so, to buy enough ammo so that even if the source got shot off tomorrow, you would have plenty for a rainy day. If you combine several mini-wars across the globe with a sudden restriction on domestic availability, ammo could become scarce pretty darn quickly.

Personally, unless I buy a gun that shoots a caliber I don't already own, I'm good for the rest of my life. And then some.......
 
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Well, I put the hurts on myself (didn't go into debt, but close) to make sure I had enough guns and ammo to last me. I'm pretty much there. At the prices I saw today at the gun shop, I won't be buying anymore guns unless I get a real good deal on a used one. Glocks pushing $600 -- whoda thunk it? But that's ok, I have enough, even if it's not all I want. Ammo-wise, I'm good, except for .22LR. I figured the real panic buying would be on the .223, 7.62x39 and 7.62x51. Which is exactly what's happening. No price increases on 7.62x54R or 8mm locally, but BIG increases on the "big three" (glad I bought a metric buttload before Christmas). So it seems I'll be still shooting my milsurps a lot. Probably buy another batch o fmags for the AR and the AKs, and dig out all my mags for the FALs.

If idiots till keep voting, looks like I'll need to start loading them all for the aftermath of the '08 election.
 
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If you count bricks of .22LR 1 million rds ain't that hard to get to anyways, IMHO.

No I ain't got THAT much .22lr but if you bought 1-2 bricks a week of the cheap stuff and factor in getting a case of centerfire rds now and then it's possible.
if you bought 2 bricks of 500 a week, it'd only take you almost 20 years to get a million rounds, plus ALOT longer to maintain that level as the ammo would be going bad after 7-10 years. you'd have to buy 4 bricks a week to get to a million after year 7 if you practiced any sort of rotation schedule.

more than a few thousand rounds becomes VERY hard to move. In most situations digging in is not going to be your best option, and even if it is for a month or so....you'd NEVER fire a million rounds.

you probably don't have the weapons and/parts to support putting a 20,000 rounds through each gun. At 20,000 per gun....you'd only need 500 guns to use all the crap you hoarded. if you didn't get over-run, shot in the face, and your stuff used to supply the next offensive.

just my .02
 
Old 03-09-2007, 11:04 AM   #16
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#1- I'm not talking only .22LR.

#2- 1-2 bricks was meant as an average, didn't say it had to be stuck too. There are fairly good deals on case lots of .22lr if you know where to look.

#3- Didn't say "I" had that nor "wanted" that.

#4- Never said staying at home was my only plan.

#5- Never said I believed in keeping all my eggs in one basket.

#6- Don't assume what people do or don't have in the way of spare parts per firearm.

#7- There other other uses for extra ammo stashes like barter.

#8- I don't really give a rats hiney about that much ammo. This was just conjecture about how someone could accumulate that much over a reasonable time period.

#9- Good points on having that much of it just laying around in one pile though.

Myself I like to balance my expenditures over various different preps and spend money & time on different ones.
 
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#1- I'm not talking only .22LR.

#2- 1-2 bricks was meant as an average, didn't say it had to be stuck too. There are fairly good deals on case lots of .22lr if you know where to look.

#3- Didn't say "I" had that nor "wanted" that.

#4- Never said staying at home was my only plan.

#5- Never said I believed in keeping all my eggs in one basket.

#6- Don't assume what people do or don't have in the way of spare parts per firearm.

#7- There other other uses for extra ammo stashes like barter.

#8- I don't really give a rats hiney about that much ammo. This was just conjecture about how someone could accumulate that much over a reasonable time period.

#9- Good points on having that much of it just laying around in one pile though.

Myself I like to balance my expenditures over various different preps and spend money & time on different ones.
Dude...relax....but to address your laundry lists of counter points to a 3 line post you originally made.

#1 you pretty much DID say 22lr "with the occasional case of centerfire thrown in"

#2 if you DOUBLE your "average" it'll take you 10 years...and that's if you don't rotate ...which with 22lr is a mandatory thing.

#3 pretty much irrelevant

#4 with a million rounds in your basement....it's pretty much your plan whether you like it or not. either that or leave it.

#5 that's pretty much what having a million rounds is....all your eggs in one basket.

#6 that's a pretty safe assumption....if you DID have that many parts and the knowledge to implement them, then you should know better than to house a million rounds

#7 true, but there are many other things that weigh less and would get more on barter

#8 me neither, but i'm bored and the message boards here have very little traffic.

#9 same to you, i just like playing devils advocate
 
Old 03-14-2007, 12:44 PM   #18
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Dude whatever you want to think it's your opinion.

And I'm relaxed just was trying to clear up some points quickly.

I'm just pointing out that, even though only god knows why, some secret squirrel could put that much back.

And who knows, we don't know what his budget is, all I know it must be a dang site more than mine.

Heck some of the stuff could'a been hot no pun intened.
 
Old 03-15-2007, 03:08 AM   #19
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Are there any problems with getting 100K stored up???? Anyone know a good way to 'dry out' 22 lr's. My son and I were shooting one day and it started drizzling, after we had enough we packed averything up and planned to do it again the next morning. The next morning the 22's just wouldn't do anything... we had used about 100 rds out of the box of 500.... I am assuming that the temperature change pulled some moisture inside... Anyway, my son and I really hate it when that happens....
 
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Hmm......maybe let them sit in a hot but dry room for a few weeks and test a few?

Also wonder if a cold dry A/C room might work?

I'd hate to try anything too radical heat wise but maybe a OPEN oven set on LOW on a baking sheet? Nothing over 120deg F. though.
 
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