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Old 03-22-2005, 08:44 PM   #101
 
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Here is what I found concering the powder from Belgium. PB Clermont imports the powder through Western Powders in the US. The powder brand name is RAMSHOT, info at RAMSHOT.COM. I talked with a rep at Western, asked about reload data for the 5.7-they will not publish the reload data as of yet- he hinted that it was fast burning with a low charge weight? to me this sounds like the Zip line. Only time will tell.
 
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Old 03-27-2005, 09:12 PM   #102
 
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this may be a good option for bullets

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=128497

they also make it in moly coated (for messy fingers)

sean
 
Old 03-27-2005, 11:06 PM   #103
 
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I saw these at Midway as well and thought the same. I received a broshure from Huntingtons along with the 5.7 dies and found that Speer has a 33gr. HP bullet for $10.98 in stock. Not sure on quality though?
 
 
Old 03-28-2005, 02:07 PM   #104
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I sent off a request to a powder manufacture, and here is the response I have received:


Unfortunately we do not have any specific tested data on this powder caliber combination.

(see notes 1.1 and 2.1 below).

However, I can provide you with some guideline, based on calculations and information from other sources.

Caution: This is an extremely sensitive and unforgiving caliber. Its very sensitive to any change in bullet weight, design, COL etc.

Important Notes:

We strongly recommend to:

1) Take note of points 1 and 2 below.

2) Measure the velocity, compare with the data and get back with us, so that we can work together to optimize the load for our conditions.

Caliber: 5.7x28 FN.

Barrel length: 5" - FN Five -SeveN.

Barrel length: 10" - FN P90.

Powder: AA 9.

Bullet weight: 35grains. V-Max

Start load: 6.8 grains (5" - 1700 - 1800 ft/p/sec) (10" - 2400 - 2500ft/p/sec)

Maximum load: 7.8 grains (1900 _ 2000 Ft/p/sec). (10" - 2400 - 2500ft/p/sec)

Bullet weight: 40 grains. V-Max

Start load: 6.5 grains (1600 - 1700 ft/p/sec) (10" - 2300 - 2400ft/p/sec)

Maximum load: 7.5 grains (1800 - 1900 Ft/p/sec). (10" - 2300 - 2400ft/p/sec)



NOTE:

It’ important to note that:

Whenever Accurate Arms do not test, and have actual data, on a particular caliber or caliber/bullet combination, we may in some cases provide some guideline. This information will be based on various procedures and calculations, or from other very reliable sources.

1. SAFETY is our prime concern therefore:

1.1. The loading data is conservative, especially regarding the minimum or start load to ensure a safe baseline to work from.

1.2. The safety margin built into the start load might be more than the customary 10%.

2. We strongly recommend.

2.1. To always start at the recommended minimum "START" load.

2.2. If at all possible, measure the velocity.

2.3. Contact us again with the velocity data, so that we can verify, and correlate with our calculated/estimated data. The data should also be compared, with the typical velocity levels accepted in the industry, for that particular caliber-bullet weight combination.





Regards

Johan Loubser

Ballistician

Western/Accurate Powders

Tel: (931) 729 66 15

Part of Western Powders -- Miles City Montana

For all Sales, Marketing, Pricing Distribution and related issues, please call toll free 800-497-1007.
 
Old 03-28-2005, 09:03 PM   #105
 
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Thanks 7of7!!! You ROCK!!. I had talked with Sean from Western Powders-he provided little. I have only one way of verifiying velocity-a Chrono. What about you?
 
Old 03-29-2005, 12:01 AM   #106
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I will be out getting some Hornady 35grain V-Max bullets and some AA9 powder tomorrow, and then loading about 5, and head over to the range with my chrono and test them out and verify speed.
He didn't mention anything about primers, or COL so I will be using small rifle primers, as it is a small rifle cartridge. I will be doing some measuring to determine the seating depth of the factory ammo since the bullet is so long, and try to come up with an appropriate depth.....
 
Old 03-30-2005, 10:25 PM   #107
 
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Hey 7of7 this sounds good. I will keep my fingers crossed hoping all goes well. Hey shoot me an email at [email protected]. I want to give you an update of the SS109 M855 ball 62gr STEEL TIP PENETRATOR bullets. Also, R. U. using the RCBS dies? if so, What do you think of them?
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Old 03-30-2005, 10:31 PM   #108
 
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Hey AZ Collector, have you heard any word from rl56? I hope his tests went OK. I hoped to get his feedback regarding duplicating the SS196 round.
 
Old 03-31-2005, 04:48 PM   #109
 
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no word.......

hopeing that it is due to elation overtaking his typing finger.

have some 30gr bullets on order should come in soon.

sean
 
Old 04-04-2005, 01:58 PM   #110
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Success!!!
Hornady V-Max 35 grain
Seating depth : .20
COL: 1.460
CCI 400 Small Rifle primer
Powder: AA9
Charge: 6.8 grains.
Average velocity 1680fps

Hornady V-Max 35 grain
Seating depth : .20
COL: 1.460
CCI 400 Small Rifle primer
Powder: AA9
Charge: 7.0 grains.
Average velocity 1730 fps

Noticeably more muzzle flash than factory. Factoy ammo velocity was 1950 fps.
 
Old 04-04-2005, 11:27 PM   #111
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ss195lf 5.7x28 ammo?

Been seeing a couple of ads recently for 5.7x28 ammo with the SS195LF designator. "LF" is suppsed to stand for "lead free". Anyone heard of this stuff? Is it the older high velocity ammo or the newer slow mo stuff?
 
Old 04-05-2005, 02:36 AM   #112
 
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Did the shoulder of the fired case move forward at all 7 of 7?
 
Old 04-05-2005, 12:58 PM   #113
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The shoulder did move forward. It appears the case neck decreased in length by about .03". However, this appears to be normal when compared to a once fired casing. With this in mind I think it would be prudent to anneal the necks prior to sizing. This will make it softer and easier on the metal to restore to the correct dimensions

From left to right:
Twice fired casing, Once fired casing, Factory cartridge, Twice fired and resized, and finally a Once fired and resized.
 
Old 04-05-2005, 01:54 PM   #114
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By the way, I am working on reducing muzzle flash, and maintaining factory load velocities. I will post my results as they come, however the loads with the AA9 do work. I will be loading some more of them to get some individual shot data. (I will post it too)
 
Old 04-05-2005, 07:00 PM   #115
 
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7of7 you rock!
as soon as i get a little time off to play will try out your recipes .
thank you again
sean
 
Old 04-08-2005, 04:45 AM   #116
 
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I am new to this forum and do not ,as yet, reload but do plan to start. As far as the SS195LF, go to CMMG and look under SPECIALS. They are selling the SS195LF and they state that it is a replacement for the 192 and is exactly the same except for the primer which is lead free.
 
Old 04-08-2005, 10:24 AM   #117
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A little on the 'spencive' side,... at 49.95 a box.....You know they have to be gouging. I can still find stuff locally for 20.00 a box. Normally when I am not looking for it, but when I run across it, I usually buy it up...
 
Old 04-08-2005, 02:38 PM   #118
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When I first saw the SS195, the price was rather reasoable, but I guess the gougers bought it all up and are now reselling it.

As for CMMG, I'm not that fond of them and seriously doubt I would ever find reason to buy something from them again.
 
Old 04-11-2005, 03:03 PM   #119
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Well this question just popped into my mind today. Wondering about that new SS196 down-powered 5.7x28 ammo.

Anyone tried this stuff yet? I'm curious to know if it impacts at same point of aim as the SS192 stuff does. I've got a backordered case of the SS196 and I am considering just cancelling the order and put that money into more of the SS192 while it is still available. Expecially if they don't imprint the same place on a target at typical handgun ranges.
 
Old 04-14-2005, 12:07 AM   #120
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Arizona Gun runners will be getting some ammo in for this pretty soon. the 196 and 195. Both are the same price, 699 a case of 2000.
Arizona Gunrunners
 
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