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Old 01-17-2006, 12:37 AM   #201
 
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Hi Rich- sorry on the delay. I think the air removal idea may work. Other issue I ran into was the actual process of filling the cavity with fluid-it gets messy. I was thinking of using a syringe to make it easier and cleaner. I will email you the data by end of today. Also, you can contact RAMSHOT, ask for Johan- he has more reloading data with other powders. I came up with a way to melt the lead from the SS109 I will upload a pic of the bullet holder I am fabricating.
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this 'IS' somewhat good 'READING',,,THANKS!
 
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Old 01-17-2006, 12:38 AM   #202
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I'll have to remember to look for those projectiles. I'm pretty sure they are in the original box the guy sent them to me as I didn't want to scatter them around if I could have convinced him to take them back. I believe I got 1000+ of them. From what you are describing, whoever did them put a lot of work into them.

I'll have to check to see if I can figure out where I ordered those guns from. It might have been Impact Arms. But I think AZ Gunrunners was selling them as well at the time. Or at least taking names for a list.

Later......
 
Old 01-22-2006, 03:25 PM   #203
 
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het if anyone is interested, I found Natchets is selling the SS197 for 19.99 a box, odered 4 boxes, at least its a good way to replentish brass, gonna chrono them as soon as i recieve them
 
 
Old 01-22-2006, 10:19 PM   #204
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I just noticed the SS197 today while I was browsing through the gun sales websites. Some said it was 200 fps faster then SS196. Others said it was pushing between 2000 and 2100 fps, which is getting pretty close to SS192 speeds with a heavier projectile.

Yeah, I'd like to see some real world specs on this stuff before I buy some of it.
 
Old 01-22-2006, 10:25 PM   #205
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I just found a page that shows some good info on the various 5.7x28 rounds:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.7_x_28_mm
 
Old 01-23-2006, 12:35 AM   #206
 
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Thanks Brass Hammer.
Hey Rich..YES!!! they did a ton of work. I will post a pic of a few slugs that I melted the lead core out of..you will notice they look the same as yours. I too can't image that someone melted a thousand!!!! But, then again I can't belive I was ignorant enough that I was going to spend all that time drilling out the lead!!!!
Still trying other materials..will not try HOT GLUE again...not good at high temps.. re-melts fast!!. For me- clay is still the leader. Anyone have any other ideas?
 
Old 01-23-2006, 12:46 AM   #207
 
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I pulled one SS196 round and one SS192 round...the powder is the same for both- spherical powder very small in diameter. The SS196 powder weight came in at 4.0 grns and the SS192 came in at 6.5grns. This is weird to me since the SS196 is a heavier projectile(40grn bullet).
 
Old 01-23-2006, 12:49 AM   #208
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What is solder made out of?

How about a two part liquid epoxy?
 
Old 01-23-2006, 01:00 AM   #209
 
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I just thought the same today about solder.. it might have a small amount of lead, may be good idea-I will try it tomarrow. Actualy, I wanted to use the 2part epoxy, but I still ran into the method of filling cavity with out being super time consuming and messy.
 
Old 01-25-2006, 11:43 PM   #210
 
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5.7x28 SS109 STP rounds

final prototype of bullet melting holder sitting in melting furnace
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Old 01-25-2006, 11:47 PM   #211
 
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5.7x28 bullet holder

side view of the holder- inner ring(next to holding rod) set with finished bullets to show before after effect.
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Old 01-25-2006, 11:49 PM   #212
 
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5.7x28 SS109 STP rounds

Before and after.
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Old 03-01-2006, 10:38 PM   #213
 
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ltns... been real busy.. Yeah I have all those melted out ss109's still. In fact I just moved them to the BIG safe for more perm storage until I figured out what the hell to do with them. I got your email .. at least I think it was from you Wildeye.. sure we can work something out. BTW no PS90 for me.. wife says not a chance.... here is my only shot...
http://www.rhinelandarms.com/

Rhineland Arms
972-342-2105

The AR57 upper is a completely new design by Rhineland Arms. The design allows for the use of our upper on any AR15/M16 lower (note class 2 will be available from another mfg) The rifle uses standard 30 or 50 round magazines that attach to the top of the rifle, cartridges feed from the top and eject out the bottom of the magazine well. The upper is available with a stainless steel 16.5" barrel, threaded for the standard M16 flash hider. Features include a scope rails on the top and bottom of the rifle with attachment points on the sides.
The AR57 upper is designed for heavy duty use in sandy or muddy environments. Other features include easy to diss-assemble design for rapid cleaning, that can be done in the field with no tools required. Internal small parts are standard off the shelf US military, except for the firing pin. Estimated release date is late April with a price around $550.

AR57 update, pilot run production starts in March.
 
Old 03-01-2006, 11:24 PM   #214
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Man, I dunno........ If you are going to have an AR-15 sized weapon, then wouldn't you get better performance just from staying with .223 and using SS109s? I've actually cooled down a bit on the PS90 acquisition idea because of this consideration. Yeah, the 5.7x28 is great in a handgun package considering the ballistics, but with the 16 inch barrel requirement for the PS90, even with a bullpup configuration, it is reaching up into the packaging realm where the .223 might be the better choice.

Just my opinion, of course. Subject to change without notice.
 
Old 03-28-2006, 12:30 AM   #215
 
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Skipping to the final product of my labors....here is a pic that shows the new 5.7x28 (modified~MSS109).
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Old 06-15-2007, 12:19 AM   #216
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Found this page while looking for something else....
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Old 12-27-2007, 07:56 PM   #217
 
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Just an update on this little fella, to bad I got tired of waiting and bought my PS90. Its still a sweet unit.

BTW just refound those melted out ss109's. Maybe then can be used in fishing lures
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Old 12-27-2007, 11:53 PM   #218
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What the HECK is that gun on the bottom? Looks like an AR-15 with a 5.7x28 upper....... Didn't know they made such a beast. Not sure how practical it would be, since the 5.7x28 is kind of a .223 short.
 
Old 12-28-2007, 07:19 AM   #219
 
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Its the AR57 upper made by Rhineland Arms, they are somewhere in Texas I think. Web site went offline but they are around somewhere.
 
Old 12-28-2007, 11:20 AM   #220
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I've been looking over on GunBroker every now and again and see prices for a box of the SS190 ammo going for over $500!!!

I wonder what the SS191 tracers would sell for?
 
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