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Old 11-07-2005, 04:56 PM   #181
 
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OH, and if yous wanna see what the ss195lf chronos at, will be firing them tomarrow afternoon if yous like to know what they are doing
 
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Old 11-07-2005, 07:42 PM   #182
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Yeah, I would like to know. I have a bunch of 192 and some 196, but haven't picked up any of the 195 stuff.

I have a die set for the 5.7x28, but honestly I have no idea when I will find the time to play with reloading this cartridge.

Has anyone been able to duplicate the SS192 ballistics yet?
 
Old 11-08-2005, 04:03 PM   #183
 
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ok, i tested the SS195lf today, heres the chrono readings i got
1904, 1973, 1962,1962,1985,1949,2060,1973,2035,1985,1985,1961, 2022,2035,2009,1950
for a adv of 1985 FPS. not bad, alot faster than the SS196, which only adv 1573 FPS
on the SS 192 i got a adv of 2031
So seeing we are gonna have a hard time getting the 192, as far as factory ammo, i'll settle for the 195 LF,
the load i was making up with the 35g V Max was actually faster than the SS192, but as far as being accurate, they sucked
after testing the SS195LF, i shot a 10 round group and held into a 4 inch circle, "not bad for me"
 
 
Old 11-08-2005, 04:15 PM   #184
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Is any of the SS195 still being imported or is it all the SS196 stuff?
 
Old 11-08-2005, 04:52 PM   #185
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The 195 and 196 are unrestricted anyone can buy it.
The 192 is FN restricted to Military/L.E. only as with the 190, and all the others.
All of the ammo is still imported, however, I think FN's response to the publicity around the SS-192 is really a public pacifier as the 195 is the same thing with a totally lead-free primer.
 
Old 01-08-2006, 05:56 PM   #186
 
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FYI...I was able to duplicate the SS190 speeds with an AP SS109 32 gr. green tip penatrator going at 2,346fps / 715m/s. I am using the RCBS dies --full shoulder dies is needed. I have reload data if needed.
 
Old 01-08-2006, 06:06 PM   #187
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FYI...I was able to duplicate the SS190 speeds with an AP SS109 32 gr. green tip penatrator going at 2,346fps / 715m/s. I am using the RCBS dies --full shoulder dies is needed. I have reload data if needed.
I would certainly be interested in seeing the data. How did you get the penetrator down to 32 grains? Remove the lead? I bought a BUNCH of projectiles like that but I would be scared to death to load them up with that big cavity at the back of the projectile.
 
Old 01-08-2006, 06:32 PM   #188
 
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Yes, by lead removal. I have a few pics of the AP SS109 32gr. bullet if you are interested.

The SS109 is very close in length to the SS190 - I bought a few of the SS190's for the purpose of testing. I didn't cut the SS109(this changes to many factors and is not a clean way of lowering the weight)I hollowed out the full lead core using a 9/64 bit- I created a jig to hold the round and centered the jig on a drill press. It is easy to know the exact length to drill each time-since you hit the steel penetrator same distance each time. Once the major part of the lead core was removed, I then used a dremel with a bit (not sure what the name is?) to remove the remainder of the lead from the brass. I tried several materials to refill the core..including silicon, liquid nails, ceramic clay and an adhesive from LOC TIGHT. I had tested each material for it's strength to weight ratio and it's heat resistance. The two best where ceramic clay and LOC TIGHT. I used 5.8 grs of X-Terminator from RAMSHOT.
 
Old 01-08-2006, 07:46 PM   #189
 
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FYI ..if you are wondering if it is illegal to modify existing bullets ....here is the info from Title 18, U.S. Code Section 922 (a) It shall be unlawful -
(7) for any person to manufacture or import armor piercing
ammunition, except that this paragraph shall not apply to -



Definition of Manufacture:
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b. To make or process (a product), especially with the use of industrial machines.
2. To create, produce, or turn out in a mechanical manner: “His books seem to have been manufactured rather than composed” (Dwight Macdonald).
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Old 01-08-2006, 08:24 PM   #190
 
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SS109

Hey RIch, Thanks for the rights. Here is one pic of the modified SS109.
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Old 01-08-2006, 08:56 PM   #191
 
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More 5.7x28 bullets

Left to right SS192, SS196 S.R. & TWO-SS109 STP.
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Old 01-08-2006, 09:55 PM   #192
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Interesting. The projectiles I have appear to have had the lead melted out of them then tumbled to clean. So you used LOC-TITE to fill the back end cavity? I was thinking about looking into some sort of liquified aluminum or something if I ever got around to playing around with this.

Would you care to share the powder loading data? What sort of accuracy were you able to get with the loadings? Any stress noted on the brass after firing the loads you worked up?

Darn, I wish I could get to my workbench to do some loading. It would take me about a week to clean out my work room, however.... I can ALMOST see my workbench.
 
Old 01-09-2006, 09:46 PM   #193
 
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Rich- Give me your email address and I will email you the load data. At 25yrds standing a group of 5 rds came under 1.5 inch diameter. Same as the SS196 I have been firing. Not sure if this is considered a good grouping?? LOC TITE was the lightest-but it didn't fill the cavity to my liking-it was prone to air bubbles. I found this to be the same with most liquid/gel materials. I ended up using an oven bake clay- it hardens very well and is only 1 grn. heaver than LOC-TITE. There was no yawning of the clay filled bullet when penetrating the target like the ones filled with liquid types.

Wanted to say THANKS for getting me to think in a differnet direction concerning the removal of the lead. I just bought a Lee Melter Furnace from Midwayusa. I think this will be much faster and cleaner method to remove the lead. I am currently working on other loads with different powders..also will have a few moly coated to test.....I will kept you posted.
 
Old 01-10-2006, 12:12 AM   #194
 
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pic of three 5.7 slugs

Hey Rich I hope you kept the 1k of the bullets you bought from GB. I reread previous posts, can't believe I missed the whole melting idea. I think in retrospect you may have not gotten completely ripped off -considering you didn't have to take the lead out (like I do)and all that is needed is to refill the core. I was alos thinking about trying jb weld....I think I saw one for aluminum..thus containing a aluminum compatable material..I will check them out tomarrow and let you know. Here is a pic of the back of three slugs..left to right SS196, SS192,SS109.
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Old 01-10-2006, 12:17 AM   #195
 
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Sorry the pic came out bad. The pic shows what looks to be red clay smudge on the edge. I am to anal to let this happen. I am trying to convince the wife to buy a kiln for her buissness- then I can use real ceramic clay!!!
 
Old 01-10-2006, 12:57 AM   #196
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Hmm, now I am wondering what I did with all those projectiles. I think they are in my storage room somewhere, still in the box like I got them.

I guess something that is a rather thin fluid (so air bubbles will percolate out) that hardens well would be the ticket. Heck what about tracers? Don't they work on the same principle by packing the tracer material into the rear cavity of a projectile? If the material itself wouldn't be suitable, what about the method that is used to put the material into the projectile?

Perhaps some sort of ultrasonic platform to cause the air bubbles to rise in the fluid mixture before it hardens?

When you click on my name at the left of the posts here, that will give you a drop down menu for emailing me or else sending me a private message. I would like to see the loading data from you.
 
Old 01-12-2006, 09:35 AM   #197
 
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Hi Rich- sorry on the delay. I think the air removal idea may work. Other issue I ran into was the actual process of filling the cavity with fluid-it gets messy. I was thinking of using a syringe to make it easier and cleaner. I will email you the data by end of today. Also, you can contact RAMSHOT, ask for Johan- he has more reloading data with other powders. I came up with a way to melt the lead from the SS109 I will upload a pic of the bullet holder I am fabricating.
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Old 01-12-2006, 12:00 PM   #198
 
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Rich- i posted info about the FN PS90 on a different thread in this forum...I talked with a rep today @ FN USA -said the PS90 shipped last week. I will be at the SHOT SHOW this year and hope to get a pic with it. Have one one order with Impact Guns.
 
Old 01-16-2006, 07:14 PM   #199
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Who actually has them in stock right now? I have a tentative order with someone (who I can't remember for the life of me) for a PS-90 and an FS-2000, but they were not very optimistic about when they were expecting to see any.

I'm planning (hopefully) on running down to the gun show in Lakeland, Florida this upcoming weekend. If I happen to see one and the price isn't a blatant gouge, it's quite possible I could bring it home with me. So what is a "reasonable" price to expect to see one for this early in the game?
 
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Hey Rich- sorry on delay. I was out of town. Two places I know of- ImpactGuns has my order..If you had ordered with Impact, which I think you had mentioned previously..then they will honor their original price. They are going for $1600 as of today. When I ordered mine it was at $1275!! Also tannerssportcenter -Ray Tanner on gunbroker has them available..but the cost is $1500. He is putting names on a second list. The first 30 got theirs already..bastards!!! I want the FS2000 as well but don't have enougth funds. Don't pay anything over $1600 for the PS90 yet!. I picked up some JB weld and gasket silicon this evening to try.. not sure if these will pan out. Did you ever find your modified SS109's?. I would of gladly paid a $1 each to save me the grief. Mine look exactly the same as yours after melting the lead out.. the green tip burnt away and left a blackish image- the jacket turned dark brown. The clay is my favorite. Need to pack the clay very good to make sure to eliminate any air pockets..thus bringing the bullet weight into the range of 33-34.grns
 
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