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Terry G 04-21-2016 02:08 PM

The magazine question
In AR's, I mean, I just outright prefer the 20 round magazines to the 30. Prone, for sure, but just in general handling. Am I the only one left?

Garand 04-21-2016 02:21 PM

Nope, at least 1/3 of my AR mags are 20 rounders, converted to hold 5 rds each as Canada's laws dictate.

gripper 04-21-2016 04:42 PM

I still have a lot of 20 round Hungarian AK magazines, that I use as " carry " magazines for the M92( with the 30's " in reserve" in the chest rig.

John in AR 04-21-2016 05:35 PM

When I carried my carbine on duty, it rode with a 20 while in the vehicle. It just snags a lot less on stuff in cramped spaces.

If I'm on the range, I prefer 30's largely just for convenience' sake.

nikto 04-21-2016 07:09 PM

for the BOB, I favor a 20 in the gun and a 30 in the back pocket, both 22lr and 223. You'll never survive needing more, on any one outing. you aint gonna have any help, so you'd better not be out in the open in daylight and at night, with a silencer, no way you'll need more. Sure, more should be cached at the BOL, but there's no point in carrying it. Unless I was forced to be running a "line' of traps and nets, I'd not be out of the hole in the ground, for a year. For that, I'd carry the .22 unit, but just to get more water, dispose of wastes, set out the solar charger, now and then access some cached food, just the 2 mags of 223. Lots of misses are not the answer, as they seem to be for the military. You're not going to be suppressing anyone, nor reconning by fire. If I aint got the sights on somebody (and NEED to eliminate him) I aint firing. Not only aint it worth the loss of ammo, it aint worth attracting the attention. it's a ton of work and takes a long time to bury a body. So having a dozen of them around, rotting and drawing dogs, cats, crows, buzzards and bugs is not what you want.

gripper 04-21-2016 07:36 PM

Oh,I agree. For my purposes, a similar arrangement works.
Going back a few years, I had a partner on a gig I was working. Nothing heavy, just a low key " escort and overwatch " without actually appearing to be with the principal.... Anyhow, he favored an old M1A1 " paratrooper " type carbine ( I don't remember the make,but he could hit with it like it was part of him within the range limits)with a 15 rounder in the magwell and a dozen or so 30 rounders in his gear...He was a BIG guy,so when he dressed for it he could just about make that thing disappear and reappear like a magic trick.
He figured if we had any problems that needed our attention ,they'd be in the sweet spot for him and his reach.....I never did much with the M1 Carbines though. They always struck me as " handy" but beyond working with him I never had a lot of hand's on with them beyond familiarization.

BigEd63 04-21-2016 07:58 PM

I like using both 20rd magazines on the bench and if I want to keep a loaded vehicle rifle. Or moving through areas thick with under brush.

I used to have a decent number of them. Now only 2 need about 8-10 more for spares.

Also when I had AK's I had close to 20 of the Hungarian 20rd ones too, IIRC.

nikto 04-22-2016 01:54 PM

I had a smith shorten an M14 mag to 8 rds for my M1A. back in the 70's, so I could shoot over the top of my car. The only reason to have more than 3-4 mags is if you plan to make money on the sale of same, during some confiscation/ban scare. M16 or AK mags are cheap (right now) so they are probably an excellent investment.

gripper 04-22-2016 02:13 PM

Up to a point, I agree with you. Some magazines are more durable than others( AK and Sudayev come to mind) ....still, it's never a bad idea to have more than you " need", since all things man made can wear or fail.

nikto 04-22-2016 02:15 PM

[QUOTE=gripper;221697]Up to a point, I agree with you. Some magazines are more durable than others( AK and Sudayev come to mind) ....still, it's never a bad idea to have more than you " need", since all things man made can wear or fail.[/QUOTE]

where to stop? your shoes wear out, as do clothes, knives, all sorts of stuff. My main objection is guys "thinking' that missing 200x accomplishes something. carrying 210 rds is just for making noise. If they hit with 5% of that many rds, they'd be Medal of Honor Winners. If you are in that big of a fight, you'll have dead, or wounded buddies all around you, probably with lots of ammo left, too.

gripper 04-22-2016 02:22 PM

Oh,believe me- " missing a lot " is not my MO.
Spares, to me;are exactly that- something I could put away until needed.
But yeah,I'm with you on the " buy up,hoard and resell at a ridiculous mark up"- a LOT of fairly recent good deals went away because of that.

John in AR 04-22-2016 03:26 PM

[QUOTE=nikto;221699]where to stop? your shoes wear out, as do clothes, knives, all sorts of stuff...[/QUOTE]
True. My main reasons for having more magazines than is genuinely 'necessary' are political hostility and market volatility (both of which imo can be blamed on Americans' stupidity). Those are really the big things that factor into it for me personally. If there was this kind of political hostility and public stupidity aimed at other things, I'd be the same way about other things; gun-related or not.

If there were constantly-threatened purchase-bans on shoes, knives, oil filters, whatever, I'd make a point of having more than a lifetime supply of those things. Currently, high-quality magazines are almost crazy cheap. My personal favorites are Okay/NHMTG brand; put an anti-tilt follower in one of them and imo it's about as reliable as an AR magazine can get.

nikto 04-22-2016 04:07 PM

I've never had a problem with old time GI's, actually. The mag follower would have to tilt a lot for a bottle neck rd to not feed. When you aint got a 'stupid switch" on it, many things are not an issue for the AR.

gripper 04-22-2016 06:57 PM

Another thing I tend to agree with you on: Full auto DOES have used,but IMHO not nearly the general utility (for the likes of me)as anything we can get the hits with minus the drama.
Dug in with a crew served, range cards and dead space paced off,a good AG rocking that 79 or 203? Priceless. Cleaning out something in a trench or suppressing bad guys (with mutually supporting overwatch)? Useful.
Grabbit&Go for the " Not Beloved By The Leviathan State " or the "Grey Area/Reinstated and Occasionally Utilized"? Not so much. Generated too much heat, and with it;light.

nikto 04-22-2016 07:48 PM

burns off lube, overheats the gun, "plates" the bore with fouling that's VERY hard to get out, beats the hell out of the bolt, extractor and ejector, wastes ammo. VERY hard the silencer, all in all a bad effing joke.

gripper 04-22-2016 08:01 PM

yeah, I forgot about jacket fouling.

nikto 04-22-2016 09:15 PM

lots of things the military does are just retarded for civilians. There's no ability to support all the bs that troops do, and no reason to be stuck in one place, dying over it, no reason to be out in daylight, no reason to be at any place, any given time, bad idea to walk straight lines, need to forage along the way to make the hike worthwhile, etc. unlikely that you'll be up against enough of a group to make full auto even remotely worth having, too. Inflict 50% casulties in the first 2 seconds and no group is going to want to be around you. 2 seconds is time to hit half a dozen men. Large groups will be unable to find enough foraging or looting to sustain themselves. if they started with 20 fighters (pretty unlikely) and you whack 5 of them and vanish before they can do squat, silenced gun, done at dusk, with nvd option, they will know all too well that you can probably do it again tomorrow, too, altho maybe "only" 2-3 of them. And the next day and the next. Soon they won't have enough manpower to do jack squat. If you've properly hidden your stuff, what would make them NOT leave your area and go pick on somebody who's a lot less lethal to deal with?

DaRkWoLf 05-26-2016 12:57 AM

I've gotten quite used to 30s in the prone position. I don't use bipods unless it's a scoped rifle intended for the purpose any more.

A properly made AR with a properly made magazine can be monopod'ed all day long without issue. If you're getting function errors while monopoding and ammo is fine, something is wrong with the manufacture or status of one of those two items.

This definitely wasn't the case with older M16s and their magazines on behalf of their construction.

nikto 05-26-2016 06:30 AM

slamming prone on rocky ground or pavement, with a 30 rder is just asking for destruction of your mag. While i do favor 1-2 30's as spares, I want a 20 rder in the gun. If 19 suppressed rds aint settled their hash, enough to let you escape, you are probably going to die there, regardless of how much ammo you have. You are missing too much/have too many enemies.. In other words, you have effed up and are someplace you should not be, (with just a rifle).

BobbyDon 01-30-2018 12:46 PM

I'm good with the 20

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