such disciplined, skiled, ruthless riflemen

nikto · 03-31-2016, 08:58 PM

https://jonathanturley.org/2011/01/1...urgent-killed/

Terry G · 04-01-2016, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikto

https://jonathanturley.org/2011/01/1...urgent-killed/

That's not rounds fired in battle, you twit. That's training, testing, and furnished to Allies. Figure in Mini-Gunned armed Helicopter's also. Sheesh, it's just a News title to get shock value. It means nothing.

John in AR · 04-01-2016, 12:35 PM

Don't know how many rounds I've personally fired in my life (going thru 300-350 9mm tomorrow), but no question it's over 100,000; likely closer to 200,000.

And I've got zero insurgents to show for it...

nikto · 04-01-2016, 12:52 PM

you aint getting paid to kill our enemies. The troops are

Terry G · 04-01-2016, 01:08 PM

During the U.S. Civil War, It was estimated that it took 2 times a man's weight in lead Mini-Balls fired from single shot rifled muskets to kill or wound an enemy. Again, this proves what?

BigEd63 · 04-01-2016, 01:58 PM

It might surprise some that even when deployed our troops run through ammo in training to stay fresh.

Really "statistics" can be cooked up and slanted about anyway.

nikto · 04-01-2016, 02:53 PM

not that many stats. :-) the govt buys what it buys and there's a record of it and where it went, all of it. the non combat areas don't fire at all. I never fired an authorized shot in a year in korea, never heard of anyone who had. our mess sergeant had been there 6 years straight, said they'd never had any shooting. they didn't want the upset and hassle, and possible casulties. the rifle accounts for only 10% of casulties on the modern battlefield. If the bean counters had their way, there'd be no rifles issued at ALL. In THEORY, we qualified, scores were written in. i"m sure nothing has changed and other areas are no different. It's the Army way of doing things (ie, nothing gets done that's not absolutely required and actually CHECKED-ON. None of us dog handlers walked our dogs on duty, unless there was some sort of inspection. It was the same all over Korea, too. Everyone knew it and pretended otherwise. My 40 man graduating class from the Okinawa training facility all hit Korea the same day, were broken up, 1-2 of us sent to each Nike battery, and we all ETS's the same day, at the same place. So we all discussed what we'd experienced. Nobody had walked their dogs. Most never even took them out of their kennels unless something was going-on or suspected.

nikto · 04-01-2016, 03:03 PM

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/...-in-iraq/?_r=0

never occurs to the dumbasses that the ranges of engagement are longer in Afghanistan, so the hits are not as centered.

nikto · 04-01-2016, 03:11 PM

interesting stats

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

03-31-2016, 08:58 PM	#1
nikto Registered User Joined: May 2014 From: USA Posts: 3,050	such disciplined, skilled, ruthless riflemen https://jonathanturley.org/2011/01/1...urgent-killed/ Last edited by nikto; 04-01-2016 at 12:53 PM.

04-01-2016, 02:53 PM	#7
nikto Registered User Joined: May 2014 From: USA Posts: 3,050	not that many stats. :-) the govt buys what it buys and there's a record of it and where it went, all of it. the non combat areas don't fire at all. I never fired an authorized shot in a year in korea, never heard of anyone who had. our mess sergeant had been there 6 years straight, said they'd never had any shooting. they didn't want the upset and hassle, and possible casulties. the rifle accounts for only 10% of casulties on the modern battlefield. If the bean counters had their way, there'd be no rifles issued at ALL. In THEORY, we qualified, scores were written in. i"m sure nothing has changed and other areas are no different. It's the Army way of doing things (ie, nothing gets done that's not absolutely required and actually CHECKED-ON. None of us dog handlers walked our dogs on duty, unless there was some sort of inspection. It was the same all over Korea, too. Everyone knew it and pretended otherwise. My 40 man graduating class from the Okinawa training facility all hit Korea the same day, were broken up, 1-2 of us sent to each Nike battery, and we all ETS's the same day, at the same place. So we all discussed what we'd experienced. Nobody had walked their dogs. Most never even took them out of their kennels unless something was going-on or suspected. Last edited by nikto; 04-01-2016 at 02:59 PM.

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04-01-2016, 12:35 PM	#3
John in AR Registered User Joined: May 2004 From: Central Arkansas Posts: 5,586	Don't know how many rounds I've personally fired in my life (going thru 300-350 9mm tomorrow), but no question it's over 100,000; likely closer to 200,000. And I've got zero insurgents to show for it...

04-01-2016, 12:52 PM	#4
nikto Registered User Joined: May 2014 From: USA Posts: 3,050	you aint getting paid to kill our enemies. The troops are

04-01-2016, 01:08 PM	#5
Terry G Registered User Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,111	During the U.S. Civil War, It was estimated that it took 2 times a man's weight in lead Mini-Balls fired from single shot rifled muskets to kill or wound an enemy. Again, this proves what?

04-01-2016, 01:58 PM	#6
BigEd63 Registered User Joined: Dec 2004 From: Arkansas Posts: 4,130	It might surprise some that even when deployed our troops run through ammo in training to stay fresh. Really "statistics" can be cooked up and slanted about anyway.

04-01-2016, 03:03 PM	#8
nikto Registered User Joined: May 2014 From: USA Posts: 3,050	http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/...-in-iraq/?_r=0 never occurs to the dumbasses that the ranges of engagement are longer in Afghanistan, so the hits are not as centered.

04-01-2016, 03:11 PM	#9
nikto Registered User Joined: May 2014 From: USA Posts: 3,050	interesting stats https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf