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BigEd · 12-01-2020, 10:11 AM

Well this thread's gone from a woman cutting her thumb to Melvin again figuratively shooting himself in the foot; although he has done it literally at least once that he'd admit.
Same reason not paying attention to what he says or does particularly when under pressure.

John in AR · 12-03-2020, 10:05 AM

If nothing else, this thread has made me look back and re-evaluate my reasons for eventually accepting .300bk myself. I shunned the cartridge for years, mainly because of wanting to avoid potential mixups of ammo; the possible problems of having two different calibers in such similar platforms. That's just a quirk of mine - all my glocks are 9mm, all my 1911's until recently were 45acp, etc.

When the benefits (especially suppressed) of the .300bk finally became to obvious to honestly ignore, I finally took the plunge and adopted it as a secondary caliber. The 223 is still my primary, largely for ammo-cost reasons. But it's been several years now that I've been experimenting with the blackout, and this thread had me go back and revisit my reasons for doing so. I'm more convinced than previously that I made the right decision, accepting the .300bk finally.

Found a 2019 James Yeager video about it last night and he greatly praised the caliber, with his reasons pretty much identical to the ones I arrived at several years ago. He went so far as to say:

Quote:

"If you really want to get the most out of a rifle with a can on it, I believe that .300 Blackout offers you the most versatility of any round."

There are some things I disagree with Yeager on, but in this case, we agree completely. He also points out that the caliber has become about as commonly available as almost any rifle is; it's available in anything from high-end stuff from Hornady & Gorilla, to middle-of-the-road stuff like S&B, even to low-end steel cased stuff from Wolf now. Even walmart carries the caliber, at least in our rural area.

Fwiw, Yeager's video from 2019 on the Blackout:

BigEd · 12-03-2020, 11:01 AM

I was going to go and set up an upper or two one a shorter 7.5"pdw and maybe SBR it with a lower.
And get a 10.5" as a woods walking set up.

But that's when all this panic buying hit.

I could probably get set up to crank out my own brass using 5.56/.223.

An acquaintance of mine up here does that has a trimmer and all the dies needed.

Seems to be plenty of data out now on powders as well.

Dorobuta · 12-05-2020, 08:21 AM

I use hexmags exclusively for .300. This helps avoid grabbing the wrong magazine.

The .300 outshines the .223 from a short barrel, and is made to be suppressed. It’s a great round

Dorobuta · 12-05-2020, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BigEd

I was going to go and set up an upper or two one a shorter 7.5"pdw and maybe SBR it with a lower.
And get a 10.5" as a woods walking set up.

But that's when all this panic buying hit.

I could probably get set up to crank out my own brass using 5.56/.223.

An acquaintance of mine up here does that has a trimmer and all the dies needed.

Seems to be plenty of data out now on powders as well.

I have a trimmer, and all the dies. I make brass, and have a bunch. Last few range trips ran into guys shooting 300 that didn’t want their brass, so I got about 500 pieces of brass free.

I got a mini cutoff saw from harbor freight and a jig from some outfit in NC. I cut .223 brass slightly long, run it through the die, and then trim to spec.

I load a 125gr bullet for hunting, a supersonic load.

I buy my subsonic loads, just because I’m concerned about baffle strikes during load development.

John in AR · 12-05-2020, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dorobuta

I use hexmags exclusively for .300. This helps avoid grabbing the wrong magazine.

The .300 outshines the .223 from a short barrel, and is made to be suppressed. It’s a great round

I’m old school with my 223/556 stuff, and use only NHMTG/Okay magazines. For the .300bk, I use Lancer translucent for the same reasons you state.

boati · 12-08-2020, 05:04 PM

big waste since youll never do anything with it. anyway all its good for is subsonically braining a sentry to maybe 150m if you've got the sighting system needed to allow for the foot of drop (100m zero) and hitting 5" high at 70m

boati · 12-08-2020, 05:09 PM

who said you have to turn the entirety of one horse into jerky? you do what you can, like anything else. Cut it into 1" sq strips. dip in salt brine, slice into bacon strips, dip in brine, hang on stick racks, under bug netting during the day, at night, set up the tarp tee pees and the smoke pits. Once again, just cause YOU cant do it doesn't mean I cant. I can do dozens of things you cant. I type more with one hand than you can with 2

Dorobuta · 12-08-2020, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by boati

big waste since youll never do anything with it. anyway all its good for is subsonically braining a sentry to maybe 150m if you've got the sighting system needed to allow for the foot of drop (100m zero) and hitting 5" high at 70m

Lol, I’ve already taken game with it. So it isn’t a waste at all.

It’s more versatile than your short AR, putting supersonic rounds out at the same velocity with more weight. It’s quieter than your .22 unit with subsonic rounds, and carries more energy.

You really need to learn about modern scopes and how to use them.

Dorobuta · 12-08-2020, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boati

who said you have to turn the entirety of one horse into jerky? you do what you can, like anything else. Cut it into 1" sq strips. dip in salt brine, slice into bacon strips, dip in brine, hang on stick racks, under bug netting during the day, at night, set up the tarp tee pees and the smoke pits. Once again, just cause YOU cant do it doesn't mean I cant. I can do dozens of things you cant. I type more with one hand than you can with 2

You can’t, because you haven’t.

Ever.

There’s little you can do that anyone else can’t, except embarrass yourself online. You certainly are better than one in a hundred such men at doing that.

John in AR · 12-09-2020, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boati

big waste since youll never do anything with it. anyway all its good for is subsonically braining a sentry to maybe 150m...

That's "all" it's good for...? A brain-pan shot at more than a football field away doesn't seem like 'much' to you?

Two very valid points to accompany:

1 - It's HUGELY more capable than the .22LR conversion unit, which is what we're comparing it to. Unless you believe a subsonic .22 rimfire is as capable as a subsonic .30-caliber bullet with 3-4 times the starting energy and much better flight characteristics.

And 2 - I have no fantasies of ever needing to shoot sentries in the head. Neither should you.

Dorobuta · 12-09-2020, 03:30 PM

Don’t forget you can’t shoot a head because it is bobbing and weaving, and doing the shimmy.

BigBassMan · 12-09-2020, 04:24 PM

What the hell does making horse jerky have to do with this topic? A very sick twisted mind for sure. An horse bacon,give me a break!

John in AR · 01-18-2021, 12:01 PM

It really was in the search for something else (WW2 and shtf related) that I started coming across these old threads, but it's starting to get fun re-posting them. Again, for anyone unfamiliar, andy is boati.

Used to be, back when the .300 whisper was rare and still an "outside-the-box" caliber, he would ooh and ahh over it, saying it was good for silent use including brain shots at up to 175 yards and that he wanted that kind of performance:

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy

...The .300 Whisper is for silencing sentries, with subsonic loads and brain shots, at up to 175m...

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy

Could easily need AP performance with the subsonic load, if busting a buddy out of a tight spot, etc. I want .300 Whisper type performance...

But now that it's been accepted by others, standardized as the 'blackout' and has finally become much more mainstream, it suddenly has no purpose:

Quote:

Originally Posted by boati

...So why bother with the 300 BO?..

Dorobuta · 01-18-2021, 12:14 PM

I see that he is consistently inconsistent / incoherent ...

Garand · 01-18-2021, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigEd

Well this thread's gone from a woman cutting her thumb to Melvin again figuratively shooting himself in the foot; although he has done it literally at least once that he'd admit.
Same reason not paying attention to what he says or does particularly when under pressure.

If I remember correctly, 1 of the 2 times Melvin has shot himself was when he shot himself in the foot then poured scalding hot water over it because he couldn't afford a doctor. The 2nd time I believe he got luckier, he shot himself in the belt buckle.

Dorobuta · 01-19-2021, 07:50 AM

He has shot himself twice?

I wonder what kind of focus and discipline is required to accomplish that?

I missed that part of my training.

BigEd · 01-19-2021, 08:46 AM

Garand I'd forgotten about the belt buckle one.

Old Melvin playing Quick Draw McGraw did it 2x then!

12-09-2020, 04:24 PM	#33
BigBassMan Registered User Joined: Jun 2015 From: North Posts: 1,871	What the hell does making horse jerky have to do with this topic? A very sick twisted mind for sure. An horse bacon,give me a break! BigEd likes this.

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Dorobuta Registered User Joined: Jul 2019 Posts: 942	I see that he is consistently inconsistent / incoherent ... BigEd likes this.

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12-01-2020, 10:11 AM	#21
BigEd Registered User Joined: Mar 2017 From: Arkansas Posts: 530	Well this thread's gone from a woman cutting her thumb to Melvin again figuratively shooting himself in the foot; although he has done it literally at least once that he'd admit. Same reason not paying attention to what he says or does particularly when under pressure.

12-03-2020, 11:01 AM	#23
BigEd Registered User Joined: Mar 2017 From: Arkansas Posts: 530	I was going to go and set up an upper or two one a shorter 7.5"pdw and maybe SBR it with a lower. And get a 10.5" as a woods walking set up. But that's when all this panic buying hit. I could probably get set up to crank out my own brass using 5.56/.223. An acquaintance of mine up here does that has a trimmer and all the dies needed. Seems to be plenty of data out now on powders as well.

12-05-2020, 08:21 AM	#24
Dorobuta Registered User Joined: Jul 2019 Posts: 942	I use hexmags exclusively for .300. This helps avoid grabbing the wrong magazine. The .300 outshines the .223 from a short barrel, and is made to be suppressed. It’s a great round

12-08-2020, 05:04 PM	#27
boati Registered User Joined: Apr 2017 From: USA Posts: 1,244	big waste since youll never do anything with it. anyway all its good for is subsonically braining a sentry to maybe 150m if you've got the sighting system needed to allow for the foot of drop (100m zero) and hitting 5" high at 70m

12-08-2020, 05:09 PM	#28
boati Registered User Joined: Apr 2017 From: USA Posts: 1,244	who said you have to turn the entirety of one horse into jerky? you do what you can, like anything else. Cut it into 1" sq strips. dip in salt brine, slice into bacon strips, dip in brine, hang on stick racks, under bug netting during the day, at night, set up the tarp tee pees and the smoke pits. Once again, just cause YOU cant do it doesn't mean I cant. I can do dozens of things you cant. I type more with one hand than you can with 2

12-09-2020, 03:30 PM	#32
Dorobuta Registered User Joined: Jul 2019 Posts: 942	Don’t forget you can’t shoot a head because it is bobbing and weaving, and doing the shimmy.

01-19-2021, 08:46 AM	#38
BigEd Registered User Joined: Mar 2017 From: Arkansas Posts: 530	Garand I'd forgotten about the belt buckle one. Old Melvin playing Quick Draw McGraw did it 2x then!

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