justme

obviously that will shoot thru the chest of an elk, and probably also thru a moose. Just a question of getting within archery distances. Can only do 1-2 a year. Rather do a couple of dozen deer with the pocket 9. :-)

sure, it's fun to shoot skeet with a 20 ga and plink, etc. but I'd rather work on realistic skills or poach with a silenced .22lr handgun. :-) It's just the outlaw in me. I'd rather hunt year round, wherever I wish.

Garand

I'd rather use my .400 CorBon

John in AR

I like 'more power' as much as the next guy, but I'd rather stick with calibers that are more commonly available. Even with factory loads I get 185 @ 1100 from 5-inch .45acp and 200 @ 1065 from 5-inch in the ancient 45LC. The .45acp is a +p (corbon), but the the .45LC is standard pressure Barnes 200-grain solid copper HP; not a +p or 'ruger-only' load.

BigBassMan

Hard to beat the 45LC.

BigBassMan

"or poach with a silenced .22lr handgun. :-) It's just the outlaw in me. I'd rather hunt year round, wherever I wish."

Poaching just to be killing, senseless. Another thing, where do outlaws end up?

John in AR

It didn't occur to me originally because I don't shoot the .45 super or 10mm either one, but this made me think of an old .45 super thread on arfcom from a few years back. In that thread, the specific question was asked: "what does the .45 super accomplish that the 10mm doesn't?" The best answer was "it holds fewer rounds in the same gun".

Looking at the bbti website, looks like a 10mm can match this '200 grains @ 1200fps' performance standard relatively easily. From a 4" barrel, they got 1338 fps from buffalo bore 180's for 715 ft/lbs; so 1200fps from 200's (639 ft/lbs) is likely doable. And it's a caliber that you can actually find ammunition and brass for.

Similarly, even with the antique .45 Colt round, corbon's 225-grain DPX got 1093 fps (597 ft/lbs) from 4", and 1157 fps (669 ft/lbs) from 5" barrel. Getting 1157 with a 225-grainer makes me believe that 1200 with a 200-grainer shouldn't be a challenge...

My point is primarily that there's not much new here. All three calibers have similar capabilities and are plenty effective in terms of terminal performance. Two of them are very often launched from the same 1911 platform. Main difference in the three of them is that ammunition and components for the 10mm and .45 colt are pretty readily available. i can't recall the last time I saw brass or loaded ammo for the .45 super in ANY store. It's probably been a decade or so, I'm sure.

Garand

I have always wondered what the practical applications of the 10mm was until a couple of months ago. I was watching an episode of "Alaska, The Last Frontier"and they mentioned that they carried Kimber 10mm's in case of bears.

BigBassMan

The old days when Norma loaded the real 10MM, that was the round. Those would wake you up.

Garand

I've got some time this winter to reload so rather focusing on the Cowboy ammo, it appears looking in my ammo locker that I haven't had time to shoot any .400 CorBon in the last 5 years. Just other priorities. I think I'll load some up in the next month or so.

BigBassMan

I need to load more 400 and 38 super.

Garand

What's your pet load for .400?

BigBassMan

Have two molds for the CorBon. 145 gr. SWC that looks like a H&G #68 and a 175 TC, it is a tumble lubed bullet, a little too heavy an not enough grease grooves. 7.0 gr. of Unique with the 145 is very accurate, stopped there. With the 175 have only got up to 6.5 Unique. This Spring I want to get back using this again, last year other calibers got shot more. Thinking will stick with the 145 SWC. Not a lot of loading data out there for this round but I have lots of Starline brass, will experiment with some other powders soon. Might even try some jacketed bullets but I am cheap an hate to buy them! What would be neat is a N frame Smith with a 6 1/2in. barrel. But that will never happen unless I build one out of a model 27, wonder if Brownells has a chambering reamer? Bore out a 45 barrel an put a .40 liner in. Time to look in parts boxes, might have a 27 cylinder. 45 acp moon clips an it should work. Will have to think about this idea a bit.

Garand

My hottest load so far is using a necked down .45 Super case and 7.7 grains of Unique pushing a 165 grain "Montana Gold" TMJ. It gave me 1537.8 fps/1487.4 fps. If I crank it back to 7.5 grains I average 1208.5 fps. Easier on the pistol and me.

I have had a bit of problems in the past with determining a good overall length, what do you recommend. I put my problems on just being a drop in barrel that has not been throated.

BigBassMan

Will measure in the morning, too tired to go back to the garage.

BigBassMan

First thing I did to the barrels was polish the feed ramps. Never had any problems.

Garand

Well yesterday, I got my act together and made up 200x .400 Cor Bons for my .45's. Apparently this is the first time that I have had the time to make some since 2009. I have had a barrel for my Series'70 now for over 10 years and 2 1/2 years ago I bought a barrel for my Combat Commander, that I still haven't broken in. Now we just need some warmer weather.

John in AR

Don't know why, but it's entertaining for me sometimes when I stumble across these old threads, with their inherent silliness and bias. Case in point:
The claim in this thread is that a 200-grain, non-expanding, 45-caliber bullet at 1200 fps, as long as it's launched from a 1911, is adequate for moose and elk; but

This other thread:
B - a 185-grain, non-expanding, 45-caliber bullet at 1400 fps, if launched from a revolver, is NOT adequate for even a beagle.

Both claims from the same guy. Got it.

Terry G

The suppressed .22 pistol is more than adequate for Moose or Elk. They are known to be thin skinned, fine boned creatures. Very fragile. Beagles, on the other hand, are tough, dangerous adversaries. Better off with a split nose .465 Zellman. For Elk or Moose just stick the suppressor in the Ear canal and start yanking the trigger. Very effective.