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justme · 10-14-2016, 05:27 AM

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=10379839

top break can't handle 357 pressures, bigger COP would just be a clunk nobody'd buy. Double stack luger would be just as awkward/expensive as the single stacks. The R9 was cool, but failed. mini-revolvers are too slow and awkward, a bit more power won't help those pos's. Cut the barrel short and the .22 mag or.32 mag won't have enough more power to matter any. Still WAY inferior to the .32 Keltec when it comes to repeat hit speed. Double stack mag in a pocket gun is retarded. really small and lw .45 is uncontrolable in rapidfire. cut a guns's weight by half, get twice the felt recoil. if you COULD get a 5 oz .45, you'd be REALLY sorry if you ever fired it 6x the recoil of a govt model. even figuring the weight of a few rds.

John in AR · 10-14-2016, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by justme

people sure are stupid

Don’t disagree with that at all. Spending a day with customers (or with most people) and they just reinforce that perception.

A lot of the ideas in that thread of things that people think “would sell well” is well into the “stupid” category as well. An extended-barrel COP .357? Oy. A double-stack Luger? I expect that guy’s probably never used a Luger in any form. There’s a lot of “oh man, that would be soooo cool…” mentality in that thread, and it’s largely dumbness on parade.

There’s also a lot of things that people want that aren’t logical or rational, they just want them for whatever reasons they want them. Whether it’s a corvette, a bass boat, a guitar, a lever-action rifle, or a ’65 Chevelle, if it’s not something that you make money with, it’s undeniably unnecessary and usually illogical. But fun is fun, and sometimes things like corvettes or guitars are just fun. (And no, I don’t have or want either one of those.)

A genuinely illogical gun that I would buy if I came across a crazy bargain on a nice one would be an 1886 winchester.

Thing is, I really have absolutely no need for one, I don’t really even like the calibers they were offered in, and I have no intention (or probably means, either) of buying one; but they’re just the nicest-looking rifle ever made imo. Not practical, and certainly not what I’d want to be my ‘one & only’ rifle, but as a play-toy, it could be fun thing to have.

Terry G · 10-14-2016, 11:28 AM

I want a Nickel plated S&W Schofield in .45 Colt. I don't need one. I can afford one, bur for once I'm trying to control my impulses.

jbaker30 · 12-01-2016, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by John in AR

Don’t disagree with that at all. Spending a day with customers (or with most people) and they just reinforce that perception.

A lot of the ideas in that thread of things that people think “would sell well” is well into the “stupid” category as well. An extended-barrel COP .357? Oy. A double-stack Luger? I expect that guy’s probably never used a Luger in any form. There’s a lot of “oh man, that would be soooo cool…” mentality in that thread, and it’s largely dumbness on parade.

There’s also a lot of things that people want that aren’t logical or rational, they just want them for whatever reasons they want them. Whether it’s a corvette, a bass boat, a guitar, a lever-action rifle, or a ’65 Chevelle, if it’s not something that you make money with, it’s undeniably unnecessary and usually illogical. But fun is fun, and sometimes things like corvettes or guitars are just fun. (And no, I don’t have or want either one of those.)

A genuinely illogical gun that I would buy if I came across a crazy bargain on a nice one would be an 1886 winchester.

Thing is, I really have absolutely no need for one, I don’t really even like the calibers they were offered in, and I have no intention (or probably means, either) of buying one; but they’re just the nicest-looking rifle ever made imo. Not practical, and certainly not what I’d want to be my ‘one & only’ rifle, but as a play-toy, it could be fun thing to have.

I have a Browning 1886 45-70 with a marbles tang peep sight and a green fiber optic front sight. It is a awesome hunting rifle. So much so I much prefer it or one of my Marlin big bores over my scoped bolt guns.

BigBassMan · 12-01-2016, 11:58 AM

That is a nice looking rifle.

John in AR · 12-01-2016, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBassMan

That is a nice looking rifle.

They are; I just don't like the calibers they come in. Usually .45-70, .40-65, or such. Back in the days of blackpowder or even early (slower) smokeless powders, I can see some benefit to them, but nowadays I don't see what advantages they offer; functional advantages or recreational advantages either one.

I play with my guns more than I hunt with them anymore, and none of those kind of calibers are anything that seem like they'd be much fun to play with. If it came in a short-action caliber like the 1892's did, I might have jumped on one by now.

John in AR · 12-01-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by justme

...top break can't handle 357 pressures...

Didn't comment on this before, but I saw a .357 top-break one time. IIRC, it was russian made. Don't recall its name or know if it's still in production, but a .357 is just the same pressure as a standard 9mm load, and less than a 9mm +P load.

I'd be intrigued by a top-break in 9mm if it was rated for +P, made for use with moon clips, and had the chambers relieved so it could use rounds from 38 super to 380acp. That would be seriously cool, and I'd probably jump on one myself if they existed.

Terry G · 12-01-2016, 02:21 PM

Ever since seeing "Zulu" for the first time, I have had a thing for break top revolvers. I had a Webley MK VI that was converted to .45 ACP, but I sold it for some stupid reason, I currently have a MKIV for in .38S&W and a H&R M999 in .22 LR. Except for an H&R display gun that was dug up in my Nephew's back yard, those are my only break top's. I would jump all over a 9MM like John in AR described.

Garand · 12-01-2016, 03:37 PM

Do I need them, no. Do I think they are the best defensive long arms available, no. Do I think they are fun, darn right they are!

Terry G · 12-07-2016, 01:03 PM

I don't think "people" are stupid for buying what they want and can afford. I know a former co-worker that has exactly two guns in his armory, but has thousands of dollars sitting in his golf bag. He was absolutely thrilled to buy a $600.00 putter. My Son is a flat out Bass fisherman. Any Bass fishing toy that come's up, he want's. I mean everybody need TWO high dollar fish finders on their Bass boat, right? My Daughter wears Louis Bouton shoes. One pair would buy me a CZ .45 with money left over for ammo. The only real stupidity is not knowing whether you can afford your treasures and buying them anyway.

BigBassMan · 12-07-2016, 01:31 PM

Yep, bass fishing came soak up tons of money in equipment, travel expenses, fees. Sold my last bass boat in 2009 an now just use a pontoon here at this lake but it has all the goodies on it, fishfinders, trolling motor, two livewells, even a bathroom, nice to be able to walk aroud on an big enough to take lots of people for a cruise. Sorta, kinda looked at new bass boats but do not like the prices. Have around 30 St Croix tournament rods with Abu reels but only got out five times this year then my tournament partner for the last eleven years sold their place at the lake an will stay full time in AZ. Anymore the old shoulders will not take a six hour cast fest. Time to slow down an just go out when I want. Lake is down about 10ft. for winter drawdown so it looks too gloomy to even see it. Hope lots of rain in the Spring.

Terry G · 12-07-2016, 02:18 PM

I go to the boat shows and Oh, Boy! A fully loaded Bass Boat and trailer would be a years salary before taxes.

BigBassMan · 12-07-2016, 05:33 PM

Then you need something to tow it, another 60G at least.

Terry G · 12-07-2016, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBassMan

Then you need something to tow it, another 60G at least.

Gun's don't look quite so expensive , now do they?

10-14-2016, 05:27 AM	#1
justme Registered User Joined: Jun 2016 From: USA Posts: 1,430	people sure are stupid http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=10379839 top break can't handle 357 pressures, bigger COP would just be a clunk nobody'd buy. Double stack luger would be just as awkward/expensive as the single stacks. The R9 was cool, but failed. mini-revolvers are too slow and awkward, a bit more power won't help those pos's. Cut the barrel short and the .22 mag or.32 mag won't have enough more power to matter any. Still WAY inferior to the .32 Keltec when it comes to repeat hit speed. Double stack mag in a pocket gun is retarded. really small and lw .45 is uncontrolable in rapidfire. cut a guns's weight by half, get twice the felt recoil. if you COULD get a 5 oz .45, you'd be REALLY sorry if you ever fired it 6x the recoil of a govt model. even figuring the weight of a few rds.

10-14-2016, 11:28 AM	#3
Terry G Registered User Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,968	I want a Nickel plated S&W Schofield in .45 Colt. I don't need one. I can afford one, bur for once I'm trying to control my impulses. RAEINDUSTRIES likes this.

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12-01-2016, 11:58 AM	#5
BigBassMan Registered User Joined: Jun 2015 From: North Posts: 1,603	That is a nice looking rifle.

12-01-2016, 02:21 PM	#8
Terry G Registered User Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,968	Ever since seeing "Zulu" for the first time, I have had a thing for break top revolvers. I had a Webley MK VI that was converted to .45 ACP, but I sold it for some stupid reason, I currently have a MKIV for in .38S&W and a H&R M999 in .22 LR. Except for an H&R display gun that was dug up in my Nephew's back yard, those are my only break top's. I would jump all over a 9MM like John in AR described.

12-01-2016, 03:37 PM	#9
Garand Registered User Joined: Jun 2004 From: Canadian Badlands Posts: 8,837	Do I need them, no. Do I think they are the best defensive long arms available, no. Do I think they are fun, darn right they are!

12-07-2016, 01:03 PM	#10
Terry G Registered User Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,968	I don't think "people" are stupid for buying what they want and can afford. I know a former co-worker that has exactly two guns in his armory, but has thousands of dollars sitting in his golf bag. He was absolutely thrilled to buy a $600.00 putter. My Son is a flat out Bass fisherman. Any Bass fishing toy that come's up, he want's. I mean everybody need TWO high dollar fish finders on their Bass boat, right? My Daughter wears Louis Bouton shoes. One pair would buy me a CZ .45 with money left over for ammo. The only real stupidity is not knowing whether you can afford your treasures and buying them anyway.

12-07-2016, 01:31 PM	#11
BigBassMan Registered User Joined: Jun 2015 From: North Posts: 1,603	Yep, bass fishing came soak up tons of money in equipment, travel expenses, fees. Sold my last bass boat in 2009 an now just use a pontoon here at this lake but it has all the goodies on it, fishfinders, trolling motor, two livewells, even a bathroom, nice to be able to walk aroud on an big enough to take lots of people for a cruise. Sorta, kinda looked at new bass boats but do not like the prices. Have around 30 St Croix tournament rods with Abu reels but only got out five times this year then my tournament partner for the last eleven years sold their place at the lake an will stay full time in AZ. Anymore the old shoulders will not take a six hour cast fest. Time to slow down an just go out when I want. Lake is down about 10ft. for winter drawdown so it looks too gloomy to even see it. Hope lots of rain in the Spring.

12-07-2016, 02:18 PM	#12
Terry G Registered User Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,968	I go to the boat shows and Oh, Boy! A fully loaded Bass Boat and trailer would be a years salary before taxes.

12-07-2016, 05:33 PM	#13
BigBassMan Registered User Joined: Jun 2015 From: North Posts: 1,603	Then you need something to tow it, another 60G at least.

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