justme

that hunting with 357 quikshok, several deer were hit, some fell to the shot, most staggered a few yds and then fell. Low velocity (1500 fps) and 3 frags, means that each of those segments did not have any more energy (per segment) than the pocket 9x21 with split noses. (ie, 2 segments) Men typically have nothing like the shock resistance of deer.

http://www.45super.com/Triton%20quik-shok.html

BigBassMan

The mighty pocket nine again, give it a rest

John in AR

The inventor of the quik shok says that the quik shok is good? The heck you say...

You realize that the same guy (a VERY good designer, imo) created the Starfire, the hydra-shok and the hst..? Most important in the discussion is that AFTER the quik-shok, he developed the hst; so clearly even the inventor of the quik-shok thought something better was both possible and worthwhile.

That's hugely relevant, and I'm curious whether you were ignorant of that reality, or were you just deceitfully hoping that we all were?

justme

why dont you tell that to the long range rifle guys and the shotgun fetishists? there's 10x less need of their stuff than of an effective pocket gun. Why dont YOU post some other stuff here, since you know so much more than me. Crab mentality at its worst.

John in AR

If they posted the same thing, my response would be the same to them as to your posts. No difference, really. Just as when someone starts with the "1911 is the pinnacle of handgun design" as often happens on these forums, I like to remind folks that even John Browning himself left the 1911 design in the past when he started with the 1935 pistol.

That's valid, isn't it?

Agree completely.


Don't recall saying that, ever. Did I do so?


I'm not really 'up' on all the slang phrases, but I thought "crab mentality" was the stereotypical bitter whining of "if I don't have (fill in the blank), then nobody should", or something along those lines. And that's just the opposite of pretty much everything I've ever said (and believe) on possessions and such. I absolutely LOVE rich people - they buy more than poor people do, and they usually (not always, but usually) pay their bills quicker than poor people do. I spent Friday at a golf-tournament fund raiser for the local Rotary club; raising money to pay for scholarships for this year's graduating seniors. I don't golf, I'm not a member of any golf course or country club, and spending all day with the richest people around was enjoyable for me. Certainly wasn't anything that put me in a bad mood or made me jealous or bitter. My 11-year-old dodge truck did just fine parked among the special-order mercedes coupes and the gleaming escalades. And everyone there was easy to get along with - they were all there to have some fun and raise money for a good cause.

I have no jealousy or bitterness toward anyone, other than some annoyance/bitterness at myself sometimes when I think of the time and opportunities I've wasted over the years. And I suspect that's true of a lot of folks.


As far as the topic of this thread, I've said more than once that the .357 is more than adequate for deer, at least the deer we have around here. So I've got no problem believing that the Quik-Shok worked fine on them. I was just pointing out two things. First, praise for the Quik-Shok by the creator of the Quik-Shok, can hardly be considered unbiased or objective. And secondly, that that same designer DID in fact leave the Quik-Shok concept behind immediately after finding a buyer for the design in Triton. He then did go and create what has come to be quite possibly the best overall-performing JHP pistol bullets out there today - the federal HST ("Hi-Shok Two").

Say Wankel abandoned the rotary engine, sold his rights to it, and then created another - completely different - engine type. Wouldn't it then be valid to consider past-history praise by Wankel of the rotary design to be not only biased, but out-of-date at least, and partially invalidated by the fact that he did in fact abandon it..? That's all I was saying, and I still think it's valid logic.


Last thought - I also notice that you never answered my question above, about Burczynski having abandoned the Quick-Shok and then creating the HST afterward. Were you aware of that? Because if you were, it means you intentionally ignored objective historical reality. If you weren't, it simply means that you didn't know, and that's ok; nobody knows everything about any subject.

justme

not at all. He thought he could make more money by selling something cheap to make, cause the typical lop wont pay for real bullet performance. They'll die before they'll pay $200 for 100 rds that are 3-4x more likely to suffice. Doesnt matter that theyh've wasted 1000's of $ on knives, plinker and bullseye guns, etc. no WAY any defensive rd of ammo is worth $3 to the typical fool. So you have to sell the jerks something that they'll buy. Which means you design some cheap to make crap, hype it up jello shootings.

John in AR

HST's are crap?