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Old 11-03-2010, 01:49 PM   #1
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ASK some deer hunters how many deer

DROP on the spot to a chest hit, with 12 ga slugs, .45-70, or 3006 softpoints. They'll tell you (if they are honest) that a very high % of those so hit run a ways, at least. Way too far if they were big bears, attacking you. Do NOT count upon a body hit stopping a big charging critter, because it's unlikely to happen. Unless you hit the spine, the odds of a body hit working for you, soon enough, are very poor indeed, even if you are using a 458 elephant round.



 
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:01 AM   #2
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I hunt Deer every year with some sucess. I use a Browning BAR in .30/06 and a BSA 7MM Magnum. I've never lost one, but truth be told, I did hit a 130 lb. (field dressed) doe in the heart/lung area, and she ran 81 yards before dropping. They ARE tenacious animals. However, most Deer I've shot have dropped in place or made a few leaps and then keeled over. The biggest buck I ever shot had a fairly good six point rack and weighed around 170 lbs. I hit it with the 7MM Magnum and it flopped right over, never took a step. I actually stopped using it because it seemed like a bit much for Whitetail. Like any kind of shooting, man or beast, bullet placement is everything.
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:00 PM   #3
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I've had one that ran and kept going:

1st shot was to the heart. It didn't flinch or hunch up at all, just took off running
2nd shot was to the lungs. It still ran.
3rd shot broke it's back and put it down.

I thought I had missed with the first two.

Upon gutting it, the heart was completely destroyed and the lungs were also ripped to shreds. both my first hits had connected. It would have died from either shot.

It ran over 100 yds from the point of the first shot.

I was using a .280 with 140 gr ballistic tips. (I've since switched to barnes because I get better groups).

It was a big old mulely with a 29.5" spread from top point to top point. Nice animal.

That's the only one that ever ran that far. All the others I shot have dropped with 5 yds.
 
 
Old 11-05-2010, 03:16 PM   #4
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I've had one that ran and kept going:

1st shot was to the heart. It didn't flinch or hunch up at all, just took off running
2nd shot was to the lungs. It still ran.
3rd shot broke it's back and put it down.

I thought I had missed with the first two.

Upon gutting it, the heart was completely destroyed and the lungs were also ripped to shreds. both my first hits had connected. It would have died from either shot.

It ran over 100 yds from the point of the first shot.

I was using a .280 with 140 gr ballistic tips. (I've since switched to barnes because I get better groups).

It was a big old mulely with a 29.5" spread from top point to top point. Nice animal.

That's the only one that ever ran that far. All the others I shot have dropped with 5 yds.
But what was your time between shots?
 
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But what was your time between shots?
too fast for a stupe like you
 
Old 11-05-2010, 04:59 PM   #6
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I still remember the first deer I shot.. it was with a 30-30.. through the lungs, entrance in front of the shoulder, exit, behind the opposite shoulder.. it went down,... then got back up.. so I shot again... it went down again,... and got up... and I shot again...and it went down, and stayed there... all in about 10 yards..
The second shot went just under the skin on the back, above the shoulders, and the third... God only knows where that one went,... but it didn't hit the deer...

As far as the situation that andy brings up, he does make a good point..it would be hard to stop a charging beast... But most will stop after a magazine full... hopefully before inflicting deadly injuries to you..
 
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too fast for a stupe like you
That's cold....LOL
 
Old 11-05-2010, 05:20 PM   #8
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Which is why guides in Africa like the big bore doubles, like the .416, .500, or .600 with round nose solids.

That's an awful lot of hurt to shrug off....


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I still remember the first deer I shot.. it was with a 30-30.. through the lungs, entrance in front of the shoulder, exit, behind the opposite shoulder.. it went down,... then got back up.. so I shot again... it went down again,... and got up... and I shot again...and it went down, and stayed there... all in about 10 yards..
The second shot went just under the skin on the back, above the shoulders, and the third... God only knows where that one went,... but it didn't hit the deer...

As far as the situation that andy brings up, he does make a good point..it would be hard to stop a charging beast... But most will stop after a magazine full... hopefully before inflicting deadly injuries to you..
 
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That's cold....LOL
Purely in jest for giggles.
 
Old 11-15-2010, 12:12 PM   #10
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I'm not a huge whitetail hunter, but I have killed two.

The first was with a .308 from about 350 yards. Dropped without taking a step.

The second was a 30.06 from about 115 yards. 2 steps and down.


I may have just gotten lucky, as I don't mean to brag, but I would feel pretty confident that a good shot from a 30.06 would drop everything in North America except perhaps Moose and Grizzly.

My father hunts with a 30-30 however, and I think he ends up searching in the dark for (and losing) half the deer he shoots.
 
Old 07-26-2011, 08:35 PM   #11
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80% of the deer i have shot over the years have gone down where they stand. 20% have given various other results, from running to jumping straight up in the air. 99% were good hits, 1% were less than good. but the point is you never know what an animal will do when hit.
 
Old 07-06-2012, 12:17 AM   #12
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DROP on the spot to a chest hit, with 12 ga slugs, .45-70, or 3006 softpoints. They'll tell you (if they are honest) that a very high % of those so hit run a ways, at least. Way too far if they were big bears, attacking you. Do NOT count upon a body hit stopping a big charging critter, because it's unlikely to happen. Unless you hit the spine, the odds of a body hit working for you, soon enough, are very poor indeed, even if you are using a 458 elephant round.
 
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