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Old 03-31-2005, 10:30 PM   #1
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ever heard of Jim Carmichael?

he bet his farm that he could take the great bears with .22 Hornet, and bet another $10,000 that he could do so with no more than 2 shots per animal. Hornet has HALF the power of 223 and aint available in an autorifle.



 
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Old 04-01-2005, 05:13 AM   #2
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Did he do it?
 
Old 04-01-2005, 09:48 AM   #3
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Doesn't he call himself Claude Carmichael now?

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Old 04-02-2005, 12:27 AM   #4
 
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ever heard of Jim Carmichael? he bet his farm that he could take the great bears with .22 Hornet...
Sure, if you shoot bears at your local zoo.
 
Old 04-02-2005, 09:02 AM   #5
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Still no proof that Carmichael made good on his bet.

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Old 10-11-2005, 03:17 PM   #6
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Reminds me of a really off-color joke about a guy who goes bear hunting and has a few too many misfires. See, there's this bear ....

.... Nah. Too naughty. Never mind. I'll just laugh to myself.

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Old 10-11-2005, 03:41 PM   #7
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"You're not in this for the hunting, are you?"
 
Old 11-02-2010, 01:32 PM   #8
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Dunno if he did, but he made the bet in his book, many years ago. If you want to bet him, he used to (does?) write for Outdoor Life mag. They can probably put you in touch. He may be too decrepit to deliver these days, dunno. The point is that a highly experienced hunter and rifleman said that a cartridge MUCH feebler than a 223, in a bolt action, was adequate to take "any N.American game animal", with less than 3 shots. :-) Just because YOU aint got what it takes to make the 223 suffice doesn't mean that the cartridge isn't powerful enough. It just means that you aint hunter enough to get within 75m, and hit the brain, that's all.



 
Old 11-24-2010, 07:21 PM   #9
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I hear in WW2 some GIs used grenades and improvised fire bombs to stop German tanks. Does that mean it will work in most circumstances? No?

So yes I have no doubt a .22 hornet can take a bear, under very ideal circumstances, but not in many. Same goes for a .223, no matter what kind of rifle.
 
Old 11-25-2010, 04:58 AM   #10
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1 in a 1,000,000 shot. There have been incidents where dangerous animals have been dropped with a small caliber, low powered round, but it was pure luck and nothing else. Being a Southpaw, if I lived in Alaska I'd chose the Desert Eagle in 44mag. Much easier for a Lefty to reload quickly under stress if needed.
 
Old 07-06-2012, 12:18 AM   #11
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he bet his farm that he could take the great bears with .22 Hornet, and bet another $10,000 that he could do so with no more than 2 shots per animal. Hornet has HALF the power of 223 and aint available in an autorifle.
 
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I'd say that if you know anything, you'd be easily able to take a bear, quite safely, with a 223 autoloading rifle. Just put out a bait, be in a tree stand, waiting. That is the way that they used to take leopards and tigers. A 223 softpoint to the cranium will pop the eyeballs out of any animal smaller than an elephant. There's nothing "1 in a million" about being able to hit the brain, using a rest for the rifle, from 50 yds and less, and nothing special about being in a tree stand, 25 yds downwind from a bait. It would be a simple thing to arrange such a setup, actually.
 
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he bet his farm that he could take the great bears with .22 Hornet, and bet another $10,000 that he could do so with no more than 2 shots per animal. Hornet has HALF the power of 223 and aint available in an autorifle.
 
Old 07-11-2015, 03:08 PM   #14
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NObody wanted to risk THEIR money betting against JIM. :-) He was so far above you people, as a rifleman and a hunter, that you can't even imagine being able to do the things that he proved that he could do.
 
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