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Old 01-06-2021, 07:56 AM   #1
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Changing back to my normal edc

Switched from the double-stack P30sk back to the smaller G43 today. (The cousin who had borrowed the G43 two or three months ago recently bought a .380, and returned my G43 yesterday.)

The reason for switching to the higher-capacity gun was the increased jackassery this past summer & fall, when people were setting cities on fire, blocking roads, etc, with the police & politicians sitting idly by watching it happen. Never happened in our area; we’re very rural and that kind of thing would be stepped on pretty quick, but I occasionally go to Little Rock, Fayetteville, Jonesboro, etc, and so switched to the slightly larger gun for those reasons.

Still really like the 14-shot P30sk, but had forgotten how thin & light the G43 really is, even with a +2 8-round magazine in place. As long as things don’t get too crazy, it will likely remain my primary carry gun. Just really like the convenience of the stupid little thing.
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Old 01-06-2021, 08:05 AM   #2
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An you don't have to take a dremel to it! They just work great as is.
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Old 01-06-2021, 08:26 AM   #3
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An you don't have to take a dremel to it! They just work great as is.
They do, but I confess I personalized mine a little when I first got it. I added a Tau SCD because I won't IWB a glock without one; and I changed the sights to XS tritium big dot. This isn't a target gun and the big dot is pretty good for close- to medium-range use imo. I also changed the trigger but didn't like the additional pre-staging (cocking) that it caused, so changed that back to factory.

Beyond the sights and SCD, all is factory; I'm not that finicky anymore, even with ammo to a certain degree. I figure if I do my job and hit the target well, a super-special uber-mega wonderbullet isn't necessary, and if I don't hit the target well, a super-special uber-mega wonderbullet won't change that either.

Like I read once in a '9mm vs 45' debate: "If you hit your target, it doesn't matter. If you don't hit your target, it still doesn't matter.
 
 
Old 01-06-2021, 08:44 AM   #4
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I've done similar.

I'll be honest and admit that I've gone full Frank Castle in carry several times; depending on the specific Social/Political climate.
But not daily, however my daily has always been in the better have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

I've always carried a pocket or AIWB handgun of some kind plus a larger one in the vehicle in a carry bag or on my person. And a rifle in my vehicle.

I've cut back on that to a S&W 442 Pro on me and a Glock 26 Gen 4 in my EDC work out bag. If I leave my normal AO I got a low profile case for a AR pistol.

But that's usually when I drive up to the range in MO to go shooting so I shoot it when there anyways.
 
Old 01-06-2021, 09:29 AM   #5
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I rotate between a S&W Shield, a colt officers, and an HK VP-9. Lately been sticking with the VP-9 just for the extra rounds. Seems like the Jackasses only go out in groups these days...
 
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Have the SCD on two of mine, the 26 an 19x, need to get a couple more. Waiting for thumb safety to be made for the Gen5 models, only make them that fits up to Gen4 right now.
 
Old 01-06-2021, 10:34 AM   #7
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I rotate between a S&W Shield, a colt officers, and an HK VP-9. Lately been sticking with the VP-9 just for the extra rounds. Seems like the Jackasses only go out in groups these days...
Jackals may be more appropriate than jackasses..

Have you had good luck with your Officer's model? I bought one when they first came out in 1984 or 85, and it's still one of the biggest gun disappointments I've ever had. The way they changed the recoil spring plug was the problem:


With the spring tension on that little tab at the tail instead of up front at the collar like a normal 1911 has, mine broke and sailed downrange the third magazine I put thru the gun. I had the gunshop order a replacement, and after waiting 2-3 weeks for it, it broke on the third or fourth magazine as well. This was all with non-plus-p ammo, just 230-grain ball and 185-grain federal 45C jhp standard pressure stuff.

{edit - found a picture on a1911 forum showing the problem. They found it when it was just cracked but hadn't broken completely off yet:


I had them order a third one and traded it back to them. A couple years after that I found a deal on a detonics combat master that I still have. Really wish that colt hadn't repeatedly self-destructed in mid-magazine. I loved the concept but that particular gun was an unreliable disappointment.

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Old 01-06-2021, 01:08 PM   #8
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Jackals may be more appropriate than jackasses..

Have you had good luck with your Officer's model? I bought one when they first came out in 1984 or 85, and it's still one of the biggest gun disappointments I've ever had. The way they changed the recoil spring plug was the problem:


With the spring tension on that little tab at the tail instead of up front at the collar like a normal 1911 has, mine broke and sailed downrange the third magazine I put thru the gun. I had the gunshop order a replacement, and after waiting 2-3 weeks for it, it broke on the third or fourth magazine as well. This was all with non-plus-p ammo, just 230-grain ball and 185-grain federal 45C jhp standard pressure stuff.

{edit - found a picture on a1911 forum showing the problem. They found it when it was just cracked but hadn't broken completely off yet:


I had them order a third one and traded it back to them. A couple years after that I found a deal on a detonics combat master that I still have. Really wish that colt hadn't repeatedly self-destructed in mid-magazine. I loved the concept but that particular gun was an unreliable disappointment.
I've put thousands of rounds through mine, I think I'm on my 8th or 9th set of springs...Now I will have to go and inspect the plug...thanks for the heads up.
 
Old 01-06-2021, 01:54 PM   #9
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Maybe it was growing pains with a new design; hopefully they make them better now. I remember paying $465 for it which was a lot of money in the 1980's, and what a massive disappointment it was. My mantra for a long time was "give me Colt autos and Smith & Wesson revolvers", and that officer's model was the gun that first made me question that.
 
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there's zero reason to settle for half assed performance in combat ammo, and that's all you'll get from short barrels, now that nobody is offering a plus P 90-100 gr jhp for the 9mm, and if they did, you could't get it. Given the little guns being harder to get good hits with, that puts a premium upon having all of the shock and destructiveness you can get from your bullets. The glock is a LOT "taller" gun than the Sig, even with the 7 rd mag in the Sig. The glock's square on top slide makes for pee poor concealment in a pants pocket holster. Her coach says that he tried the damned things while he was in Asia, and as long as he only tried for 3 hits per second, it did ok, but it really sucked when he stepped it up to 6 hits per second. Wifey dislikes every trigger pull but the match 1911's, which is understandable. If I was starting all over, without the millon dry snaps and 200k live rds thru cocked and locked SA's, I'd maybe look harder at this newer crap, but that is not the case, so I aint. The P938 needs a lot of sharp corners ground off of it to make it a real pocket gun, but once you do that, it's a slick little gem. The $350 for a 9x21 spare barrel sucked, tho.
 
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you can get a full circle flange type replacement recoil spring guide for the officer's acp

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100576573.

Colt really flubbed the dub on that design. Anyone could see it would break.
 
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$350.0 for a 9x21 barrel, that's just plain crazy. Must have only sold one an was glad to get rid of it.
 
Old 01-07-2021, 06:45 AM   #13
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you can get a full circle flange type replacement recoil spring guide for the officer's acp

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100576573.

Colt really flubbed the dub on that design. Anyone could see it would break.
I've seen those, but they require milling of the slide where the plug fits. (There's not enough gap between the retaining ring at the end of the slide and the rearward-most point of its travel for that extra little lip that isn't there from the factory.) At least the first ones that came out required milling to fit; I don't know if they've solved that problem or not. I doubt there's been much call for it since the gun's been out of production for so long. I sold mine probably 35 years ago, within just a couple months of buying it, so haven't kept up with it, but it's definitely a weak point in the design.

Fwiw, that unit you show is very similar to what Detonics used in theirs. The flange on the detonics plug ran the full 360 degrees of the circumference, but similar. Mine never broke but after a lot of use (15-20 years & no telling how many rounds) it did start misshaping, with the edge of the shoulder starting to push back very slightly and malform. I was fortunate in that a family member was the supervisor of the tool-making shop for Timex in little rock, and from the old one he made me a replacement in the mid-90's sometime. I don't shoot it as much as I used to, but it's still chugging along fine. Even managed to pick up a replacement recoil spring assembly and four extra mags when the third (and probably final) Detonics iteration came out 7-8 years ago. The mags aren't as well made as the originals (only have two of those), but they do work.
 
Old 01-08-2021, 07:35 AM   #14
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...The P938 needs a lot of sharp corners ground off of it to make it a real pocket gun, but once you do that, it's a slick little gem. The $350 for a 9x21 spare barrel sucked, tho.
John - is it narcissism or just petulance that makes it impossible for you to learn from what is freely placed right in front of you...? In your own thread about "enlarge your jeans pocket" to make pocket-draws faster, I explained why the 9x21 is a waste if your gun can take plain old 9mm+p; which the P938 can.


From your 'pants pocket' thread:
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...The 9x21 load maximums:
Using a light 90-grain XTP the maximum safe load with Bullseye is 6.9 grains (34,084 psi), and runs 1529 fps; for 467 ft/lbs.

Dropping to a 70-grain bullet the max Bullseye charge goes up to 7.4 grains and gives 1728 fps; or 464 ft/lbs.

Going to an even lighter 50-grain bullet, the max Bullseye charge is 8.2 grains for 2035 fps; which is still only 460 ft/lbs.


The 9x19 maximums:
With the 90-grain bullet, the 9x19 max is 7.3 grains (37,791 psi) & get 1592 fps; for 506 ft/lbs again (same energy as the 50-grain bullet at max loading).

Working our way back up in bullet weight, with a 70-grainer, the max load of Bullseye is 7.9 grains (37,266 psi) for 1817 fps or 513 ft/lbs.

And using the uber-light 50-grain bullet, the max load is 8.7 grains of Bullseye (38,480 psi) giving 2135 fps; or 506 ft/lbs.



Simply put, in all three bullet weights the normal 9mm+P actually outperformed the oddball 9x21 caliber. And does it in a caliber that comes in guns that are readily available, has reloading brass that is readily available, load data that's readily widely available, etc. Absolutely zero functional advantage to the 9x21 over the 9x19+P as far as I can tell.
Again: in all three bullet weights the normal 9mm+P actually outperformed the oddball 9x21 caliber.

So now you know. You're welcome. The 9x21 can be a good choice for people who live in the numerous countries where 9x19 is outlawed. It works in the same magazines and even though it doesn't match 9mm+p stuff, it does pretty much match 9mm standard-pressure stuff, which is fine. But in a place where 9x19 is an option, the 9x21 has ZERO advantage.


Think about it - you could have saved the $350 spent on a barrel and brass to make your gun use a less-effective caliber, and spent it instead on ammunition, aluminum rods to make some more vaporware bullets, and still have had some left over to buy your wife something nice. And in doing that, you'd have had a gun that was MORE capable than all this non-standard silliness.

Life can be good if you'd simply choose to let it be so.
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Old 01-11-2021, 12:42 PM   #15
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...there's zero reason to settle for half assed performance in combat ammo, and that's all you'll get from short barrels, now that nobody is offering a plus P 90-100 gr jhp for the 9mm, and if they did, you could't get it.
So in short-barreled concealment guns, you believe that lack of performance and lack of ammo availability is a reason to avoid 9x19 caliber, yet you advocate the less-capable and less-available 9x21 round.

What's the benefit of the 9x21 that you recommend, when it's LESS capable than commercially-available 9x19+p loads, even when loaded with the exact same bullet; and is MUCH LESS available as well..? If it outperformed the 9x19 it could make a little bit of sense to have a gun with both barrels; one for maximum performance and one to allow use of cheaper, more commonly available ammunition. But in this case, the cheaper and more commonly available round is also the more effective one. What's the point of the 9x21?
 
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He does not know, read something about it in some book years ago an peed down his leg every since thinking it was the greatest thing in the world. Most likely never seen one, except in the nightmares.
 
Old 01-11-2021, 02:59 PM   #17
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I'm carrying the CZ97b in our cold weather, but for 9 months out of the year it's a compact 9MM. I switched to the Hellcat and even tried the LCPII but I always go back to the CZ's. The P-01 or 75 Compact. There would have to be something radical made to make me choose from the CZ platform.
 
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