Garand

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BigEd

The Hornady Critical Duty they show is my EDC load for 9mm.
Started using it on recommendation of a acquaintance that is tribal police in Oklahoma. He's used it in a few shootings and it's worked well.

John in AR

I'm just happy with all the ammo choices we have nowadays. Generally I've gone with light, fast loads in 9mm, but anymore am comfortable with a number of options. My edc gun is loaded with Winchesters Q4429, which I'm fairly certain is a contract-overrun version of the RA9T load.

I used to be an ammo snob, but anymore I believe that as long as we avoid the truly stupid choices (ie, 124 NATO fmj that overpenetrates, the crazy-light projectiles that are so light-for-caliber that they can't penetrate much at all, etc), there are a lot of good choices available.

Best way I heard it put was in one of the many "9mm vs 45acp" threads. Someone said: "If you can hit your target, it doesn't matter if you're using a 9 or a 45. If you can't hit your target, it still doesn't matter."

To me, a lot of that applies to ammo as well. If we hit our target in the vitals with a good load, it largely doesn't matter if that load is an HST, a Gold Dot, or an old-school 9BPLE. If we don't hit our target in the vitals with a good load, it kind of still doesn't matter.

BigEd

It also doesn't mean much if you can't lay hands on the specific load you want anyway.

boati

the only thing that enough penetration is the glaser, cause they backed it off by 400 fps and lightened it by 14 grains. it did ok when it was 1950 fps

boati

everything exits a big feral dog and that means it's not waf

Dorobuta

That’s your opinion.

boati

90 gr jhp's at 1500 fps do a fine job. the 85 gr 380 silvertip at 1650 fps does a better job, but the ammo runs over $1 a shot and, you still have to pull the bullets and reload them. i used SR7625 back in the day, but I've since read that it's erratic. If I were going to bother with such loads today, I'd try 231. winchester powder.

boati

its backed up by flesh and blood testing, which nobody else has done. you just suck and swallow whatever scum the ammo industry pumps out.

BigEd

Yawn, more bluster and no proof.

Terry G

Dog's again? Why do they terrify you so? Back on topic, I prefer the Remington 124 Grain Golden Saber in 9MM. Luckily I have enough stored the ammunition situation being what it is. With Remington sold, who knows?

Dorobuta

You continue to amaze with your ability to be wrong. About everything.

You really are one in a hundred such men online, when it comes to being wrong.

Must really suck to know there are children doing the things you say are impossible.

BigEd

Here's your "participation trophy" Melvin....

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Dorobuta

Oh, and by the way Boati, you don’t know what testing we’ve done, or what real world experience we have had.

I realize you’ve thought about it a lot, but while you’ve been thinking, others have been doing.

Let us know when you start doing.

Garand

Based on personal EXPERIENCE, when I was a lot younger on my second tour in the Middle East a good choice for feral dogs was a 12 gauge pump with #4 Buckshot. Worked dandy. One night alone the section I was attached to took out 21 dogs.

BigBassMan

Big feral dog in Mel talk is a 6 lb. Yorkie on a leash.

Garand

John in AR

???

Genuinely trying to understand this, but can't. The Glaser is one of the least-penetrating load in existence, and you say it's the only one that gets enough...?

John in AR

No. Been there, done that; yes with a couple feral dogs. (Living in the country, that happens. It wasn't chained-up pets I was shooting.) Federal 147 Hi-Shok (the old load) from a Glock 19 at probably 15-18 yards. Clean broadside hit like you try to get when deer hunting. Dog was probably 70-80 lbs, belonged to a neighbor down the road and had killed two of our cats; only reason I put it down. Bullet entered behind the front shoulder; didn't hit the shoulder, may or may not have hit a rib. Did not exit.

Think about what you're saying here. In the post above, you say nothing but the Glaser penetrates adequately. Then in the very next post you say that everything penetrates too much. How does that jive?

BigEd

IIRC, he did do some realistic testing on "peripheral hits" several decades ago.

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