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Old 08-03-2020, 10:53 AM   #1
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DA/SA 9mm compact/subcompact

Looking for thoughts & suggestions on small 9mm single-stack pistols, in old-school DA/SA format. In the paring down of guns I've been doing lately (selling 2-3 random guns and buy one intentional one), I've come to remember something that 20 years of glock carry had made me forget - what it's really like to genuinely like a carry pistol.

I switched to glocks from 1911's for LE use back in 1999, and the glock was objectively the more logical choice. Higher capacity with substantially lighter weight, lower maintenance/cleaning requirements, more environmental-resistant finish, etc. I never really "liked" them, but they simply work and work well.

Anyway, am currently considering changing from my G43 to something else for edc use. It's a fine gun, but I'd like to go back to something more old-school. I do still have Kahr CM9 and PM9, but really would like something a hair larger and with DA/SA function instead of DAO. The ones that have initially caught my eye are the P239, and the CZ Rami; although the Rami is thicker than ideal. Short version, looking for ideas & suggestions on what's out there that's DA/SA, single-stack 9mm, with external hammer. Height and length equal than or (ideally) a little less than a G19, and thinner than the G19 as well. The closest things to ideal that I can think of offhand would be a thinner version of a subcompact CZ75, a Smith 3913, something like that.
 
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Old 08-03-2020, 03:05 PM   #2
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Well there's the Springfield Armory XDE 9MM.
Thin profile single column magazine. But the grip and trigger guard leave a lot to be desired. If you have a big hand.
But everyone is a bit different.
 
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I am an absolute believer in the CZ series of handguns for EDC, with the P-01 and the 97b as warm weather/cold weather guns. The 75 PCR Compact is also a fine carry gun somewhat lighter than the P-01. But these are double stack fourteen shot guns not exactly what your looking for and they are all metal. The RAMI I don't have any experience with although the CZ Forum fans extol the light weight, accuracy, and reliability of the gun. The P-01 and the 75D compact I don't even notice carrying in a OWB holster custom made by E.B. Leather. A Bianchi magazine pouch on the belt gives me 28 shots of 9MM with either pistol which may seem overkill but I have an inordinate fear of running out of ammunition which happened to me once long ago. The Springfield Armory guns have a lot of good things said about them. My own experience's are with my Son's XD .45 and the Hellcat, both positive. The CZ's maybe larger and heavier than what you are looking for, but I'll take the added size/weight in favor of the absolute reliability and accuracy of the P-01 and 75D Compact.
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Terry - what is the very bottom gun? It looks like a mak but the safety looks wrong. Older Browning maybe?

Also, the one above & to the right of it; at about 3:00 in the pic - is that a P01? That's one of the ones I was looking at a little bit.
 
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Terry - what is the very bottom gun? It looks like a mak but the safety looks wrong. Older Browning/Beretta maybe, but the trigger guard looks wrong for that...?

Also, the one above & to the right of it; at about 3:00 in the pic - is that a P01? That's one of the ones I was looking at a little bit.
 
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Well there's the Springfield Armory XDE 9MM.
Thin profile single column magazine. But the grip and trigger guard leave a lot to be desired. If you have a big hand.
But everyone is a bit different.
I'm looking a little at the XDE, but while it has the functions I'm looking for, most of the reviews I've found speak fairly poorly about the trigger pull.
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I'm looking a little at the XDE, but while it has the functions I'm looking for, most of the reviews I've found speak fairly poorly about the trigger pull.
I did not bother with the trigger as the trigger guard and grip angle sucked for my hands.
Almost felt like it was designed for long thin fingers. Like one of them space aliens or an octopus. Not us Sasquatches.
 
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...Not us Sasquatches.
Tell me about it. Try being a left-handed, former yankee yeti, now living the hillbilly life in Arkansas. All kinds of handicaps there...
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Fwiw, dimension comparison of several small 9mm's that I put together for comparison purposes. Main thing against the P30SK is the thickness; it's thicker than the G26, and thickness is one of the things I disliked most about the 26. That said, most things ARE thicker than the G26 and the 43 just has me spoiled, so I may just have to accept a thicker gun if I do change:


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Old 08-04-2020, 08:57 PM   #10
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Terry - what is the very bottom gun? It looks like a mak but the safety looks wrong. Older Browning/Beretta maybe, but the trigger guard looks wrong for that...?

Also, the one above & to the right of it; at about 3:00 in the pic - is that a P01? That's one of the ones I was looking at a little bit.
The bottom gun is a CZ 82 in 9MM Makarov. Actually th gun that got me started with CZ's. I bought from a distributor for $180.00 shipped with holster cleaning rod, and two 12 round magazines. I broke it down to clean and saw the bore was not rifled. By God, they won't get away with this! Luckily I did a little reading before I blew up and learned about polygon rifling. Anyway, I loaded it up and put 12 shot's in the center of a silhouette at 25 yards and thought if a surplus gun shoot's this good what is a commercial one going to be like? Anyway I'll take some (hopefully) better pictures and post them.
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What about the one above it & to the right? Is that a CZ75 P01? That's one of the ones that intrigues me most.
 
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Fwiw, while really just starting my search & deciding process, and in a town of maybe 8000 people, I go to the gunshop today to see whether they have any of these types of guns on hand so I can handle one to help in the decision-making process. No intention of buying anything, just curious whether they even have anything close to it in stock, with all the silliness going on nowadays.

Turned out they had an HK P30SK laying in the case. I've never even fired an HK that I recall (other than MP5K), and the mag release is truly different than I'm used to, but the friggin thing felt so 'right' I couldn't pass it up. So now they don't have an HK P30SK laying there, and I had to get online and order a holster & a couple more magazines a little while ago. I rationalized it that the upper I ordered from CMMG will be delayed until October, so that means it doesn't count. (Right...? )

Hope to get home early enough to try it out tonight; we'll see...
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What about the one above it & to the right? Is that a CZ75 P01? That's one of the ones that intrigues me most.
Here's the CZ compact line up. The P-01 left, 75D Compact right, and stock CZ 82 bottom. The P-01 is my EDC and has been for a decade. The 75D is thinner and lighter. The CZ 83 is the Czech Military's gun that went surplus. I got seven un-fired, but with some stack marks on the front strap. I have tried many other Nine's but I always go back to CZ. The 97b has become my favorite .45.
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Old 08-07-2020, 12:38 PM   #14
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Terry, thanks.

I tried out the HK P30SK and really like it so far. Have two more magazines on order for it; it came with a ten-round flush fit, a ten-round with pinky extension, and I ordered a 13-round (that looks about the same size as the pinky-extension 10-rounder) and a 15-rounder as well, mostly out of curiosity.
 
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my wife has big hands and long fingers for a petite gal and can reach da's, but she thinks that they suck and wont put out the effort to learn one. She's AOK with cocked and locked carry of an SA and thinks 8 rds in the P938 is plenty. Shes probably right, for a woman who doesn't get out much. She won't be in any gang fights. Nobody would suspect her of being capable of a ccw draw and 8 hits in 3 seconds, but she can (on the chest at 10fT
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Not familiar with it, John. Post a picture when you get a chance and let us know how it shoots.
 
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Not familiar with it, John. Post a picture when you get a chance and let us know how it shoots.
Terry - initial-review thread posted. Only been carrying it about a month; will update if anything changes.
 
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