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Old 03-29-2020, 07:25 PM   #1
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if I was starting out in handguns all over

the only 1911 I'd bother with is the $350 Armscor .22lr. sig used to put their name on that gun, but dont do so any longer. It's a pretty nice little piece, actually. If I could do my own smithing or get it done for $50 an hour, as vs the $150 an hour that they charge, I'd skip the 1911 .22 and just go with the SA-only, re-worked M21 Beretta as my only .22lr handgun. I'd have about $900 in it, by the time the luminous sights were fitted. But anyone can shoot well with a large, heavy .22lr pistol. the short, super lw M21, however, requires that you really do everything just right, or your accuracy will really suck.

Once i found out how much good training you can get with an Airsoft pistol and the Benjamin .177 pellet pistols, i realized how much of the range time and ammo is not as much fun as hunting is. When you add the silencer to the M21, you can hunt any time and anyplace. That 9" 15 oz, 2" at 25m combo constantly entertaining on the trail. Adding the can would be another $400, leaving out the $200 tax stamp.

I'd buy either a used, $350 Sig P928 380 or the Star Pony 380 pony as my pocket gun and a Star BM 9mm as the practice gun and that's it. The only longarm would be a shorty AR-15 and a .22 unit. There's not a damned thing that I want to do that I can't get done with those 3 pistols and one longarm. I"d much rather spend the money and time on casting and loading practice ammo and shooting/hunting than messing around with this or that gun.

Yes, you CAN fight extra hard and learn to use the crap trigger pulls of glocks and DA autos and revolvers, but there's no real reason to do so. You can spend more money on guns and different calibers, but again, there's no real reason to do so.

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Old 03-29-2020, 07:35 PM   #2
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I'd re-chamber a spare barrel for the 380 to 9x18JD, a shortened 38 super case, and use the 45 gr split nose in it, at 1850-1900 fps. Depends on the barrel how much velocity you can get out of it. 340-370 ft lbs. and two wound cavities with every shot. The 9 factor recoil is just not that much more than the 3.5 recoil factor of the M21 .22lr, for realistic civilian self defense, (ie, a few chest hits at 5m and less, really fast on 1-2 guys.)
 
Old 03-30-2020, 05:52 AM   #3
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If Sig just made a 22 conversion for the 365.
 
 
Old 03-30-2020, 06:50 AM   #4
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I've been happy with the Taurus TX22 I bought last year. As far as I recall, it hasn't had any functional problems with anything, came with 1/2x28 threads for a suppressor, and iirc was $219 or so nib.
 
Old 03-30-2020, 04:39 PM   #5
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"Why bother with a .22 mouse gun? A miss from a .44 Magnum is more effective than a hit from a .22." I'm quoting Melvin here. If you indeed did equip a M21 with a suppressor wouldn't that make it as large or larger than s 9MM or .45 compact? A Ruger LCP or LCP II is not that much larger than an M21 and carries a .380 punch. This ground has been covered so many times it's really tiring. "Add a silencer to a M21 and you can HUNT any time, anyplace." No you can't, and what in the world would you be Hunting with a .22 M21? Field Mice? Your comment's are about thirty years out of date. Airsoft and CO2 BB gun training will only take you so far. To keep your skill level up you need real gun practice.
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Old 03-31-2020, 08:40 AM   #6
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Legally, there's actually very little you can hunt with a .22, and you're still limited to seasons. Advocating breaking the law is dumb.
 
Old 03-31-2020, 09:15 AM   #7
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...A Ruger LCP or LCP II is not that much larger than an M21 and carries a .380 punch.
Definitely. This is an LCP and 21A superimposed on each other:


The LCP is a hair longer, but one thing this pic doesn't show is that the 21A is a LOT thicker (.34" thicker), and 23% heavier as well. Simply another example of a really well-made, nice gun (the 21A) simply being functionally surpassed by a more advanced design.

So in addition to being lighter and thinner, when we factor in that the LCP gives power levels of 245% to 290% that of the 21A (actual results, measured from my LCP and my 21A), the only advantage the 21A has left is cheaper ammo. And while I appreciate cheap ammo as much as the next guy, saving .15 cents per round ($150 per thousand) is nowhere near worth carrying a defensive gun that's only a third as powerful as a 380acp is. Not a chance.
 
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With all the SMALL 9mm on the market today why in the hell would anybody ever give a second thought to a 380, what a ****ing joke they are.
 
Old 03-31-2020, 09:43 AM   #9
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With all the SMALL 9mm on the market today why in the hell would anybody ever give a second thought to a 380, what a ****ing joke they are.
I actually thought the same thing. What changed my mind was my Daughter needing the smallest gun she could reasonably carry without a hint of carrying one. I gave her my LCP and since that gave me an excuse to buy another I bought an LCPII. There are times when even the Springfield Arms Hellcat print's enough to be noticeable. My Son bought me a concealment shirt that carry's a small pistol by the breast pocket either right or left draw. You can definitely make out the Hellcat, but the LCP II disappears. I carry under LEOSA so I'm not afraid of legal ramifications, but it could prove uncomfortable or even dangerous to be "printing". The .380's have a place, the tiny .22's are another story.
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