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BigEd 08-29-2019 11:38 AM

Revamped Revolvers ..Gamer Guns or Maybe More?
 
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Okay I've noticed both S&W, Ruger, Kimber and also Taurus produce 8-7-and 6 shot revolvers in sizes that were traditionally 6 and 5 shot ones.

Question is do these have any use compared to modern pistols???

Would they fare well as substitutes in jurisdictions where owning carrying a semi-auto handgun might be problematic???

I know the Kimber K-6 is a smallish snubbie but the other makes and models I'm not sure of.

Or maybe when I get personal things fixed I just want something to new to shoot like this:

BigEd 08-29-2019 11:40 AM

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Or maybe this one:

John in AR 08-29-2019 12:30 PM

I'm sure they're popular with gamers and that may be who they're really made for, but other than playing and general uses, my main reason for one would be as a hedge against legislation/bans, etc, that have to do with semiautos specifically.

I normally carry a 9-shot glock 9mm; if it were suddenly illegal to carry a semiauto, I'd go to the 9mm snubnose. Not as good, but with moon clips it could be about as good as could be had shy of a semiauto. One of the reasons I like small lever-action carbines as well. They'd be my choice if semiauto carbines weren't an option.

BigEd 08-30-2019 12:30 PM

I agree. Besides what I posted I've noticed some general frame sizes have gone from 5 shot to 6 like the Kimber K6 I think Taurus and Smith and Wesson make 9mm revolvers.

I'm also kicking around the idea of a good qualityset up of a .357mag 7-8 shot mid length barrel 4-5inch moire or less revolver and a good lever gun in ,357mag.

I need to brush up on my revolver skills anyway. In the past I did equal and maybe more practice with DA revolvers in both .257mag and .44mag than probably with .45ACP 1911's.

One thing about the DA's with 7-8 shot cylinders is the lock time...I'm no revolver smith by any means so will it be faster maybe?

boati 09-03-2019 03:12 AM

if it's suddenly legal to have guns, it's time to go to DC and fix the problem, not run from it.

John in AR 09-03-2019 05:45 AM

[QUOTE=boati;293461]if it's suddenly legal to have guns, it's time to go to DC and fix the problem, not run from it.[/QUOTE]
???

Adapting to a new situation or circumstance isn't running from it. Putting on a coat isn't 'running from' winter.

Govt mandates have changed our options in guns, cars, toilets, all kinds of things; do you go 'outlaw' on your toilet design, modifying it to 1960's standards just to stick it to the man? No, you don't. Just as you didn't go all Red Dawn during the clinton awb. If you didn't do it then (when it was a flat-out ban, you were a quarter-century younger, in your 40's and substantially healthier), don't try to claim you're going to do it now, when you're drug-dependent and approaching 70.

And fwiw, it's been legal to own guns since we kicked out the British.

John in AR 09-03-2019 07:35 AM

[QUOTE=BigEd;293435]I agree. Besides what I posted I've noticed some general frame sizes have gone from 5 shot to 6 like the Kimber K6 I think Taurus and Smith and Wesson make 9mm revolvers.

I'm also kicking around the idea of a good qualityset up of a .357mag 7-8 shot mid length barrel 4-5inch moire or less revolver and a good lever gun in ,357mag.

I need to brush up on my revolver skills anyway. In the past I did equal and maybe more practice with DA revolvers in both .257mag and .44mag than probably with .45ACP 1911's.

One thing about the DA's with 7-8 shot cylinders is the lock time...I'm no revolver smith by any means so will it be faster maybe?[/QUOTE]
All else being equal, the lock time will technically be faster with a higher-capacity cylinder, since it's rotating less with every shot; 60 degrees per shot with a six-shot, ~51 degrees with a seven-shot, and only 45 degrees with an eight-shot. But I really don't know that it would be enough to be noticeable by the shooter.

One thing S&W did with the 986 (and maybe the 929, not sure) that does make a discernible difference was to make the cylinders out of titanium for lightness. That does make a noticeable difference since it greatly reduces the start/stop inertia of the cylinder's rotation.

Terry G 09-03-2019 09:40 AM

[QUOTE=boati;293461]if it's suddenly legal to have guns, it's time to go to DC and fix the problem, not run from it.[/QUOTE]What in the....? Never mind, I'll just go off. I started off with revolver's, a Colt trooper in .357 Magnum, and my first issue gun was a S&W Model10. When the DOJ switched to 9MM I was lucky enough to be a firearms instructor and got to test and give an opinion on all the major 9's out there in the middle 80's. S&W, Ruger, Glock, Sig, etc. All the instructors I knew wanted the Sig, so naturally the powers to be chose the Ruger P89. Anyway, I have to admit I never looked back at a revolver for defensive carry. I own various revolvers in .45 Colt, .38, and .357, but I just don't see them as the equal of a good semi-automatic for carry. The additional round or two doesn't overcome the speedy reload of a magazine in my opinion.

BigEd 09-03-2019 11:30 AM

[QUOTE=Terry G;293473]What in the....? Never mind, I'll just go off. I started off with revolver's, a Colt trooper in .357 Magnum, and my first issue gun was a S&W Model10. When the DOJ switched to 9MM I was lucky enough to be a firearms instructor and got to test and give an opinion on all the major 9's out there in the middle 80's. S&W, Ruger, Glock, Sig, etc. All the instructors I knew wanted the Sig, so naturally the powers to be chose the Ruger P89. Anyway, I have to admit I never looked back at a revolver for defensive carry. I own various revolvers in .45 Colt, .38, and .357, but I just don't see them as the equal of a good semi-automatic for carry. The additional round or two doesn't overcome the speedy reload of a magazine in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I agree that it'd be impossible to consider them as equal to a good pistol but I'm just tossing out a possible use if it becomes problematic for some to carry a pistol. Not something I'd enjoy doing but something possibly as a alternative to nothing at all.

John in AR 09-03-2019 02:43 PM

[QUOTE=Terry G;293473]...I own various revolvers in .45 Colt, .38, and .357, but I just don't see them as the equal of a good semi-automatic for carry...[/QUOTE]
Definitely; agree completely.

Garand 09-04-2019 06:16 AM

As I get older, I find that I shoot revolvers more and more each year, but then I think the reason is that I just hate picking up brass, which isn't much of a problem with my S&W M625. Given the assault on firearms ownership by those "progressive"(read as regressive) individuals in our society who are pushing magazine capacity bans as the be all/end all option, revolvers in those jurisdictions make sense. I have always felt that "its not the firearm that you use, its how you use the firearm that you have". Just owning a firearm does not give you skill, constant practice does. Something that a lot of owners neglect.

John in AR 09-25-2019 01:31 PM

[QUOTE=BigEd;293435]...I think Taurus and Smith and Wesson make 9mm revolvers...[/QUOTE]
Fwiw, S&W, Taurus, Chiappa, Charter, and Ruger all do; at least they did when I was shopping 8 or 9 months ago.

John in AR 10-09-2019 01:04 PM

Along these lines, I've been looking into the Circuit Judge revolving carbines again. Turns out, even though they're sold under the Rossi brand, they're made by Taurus and can be used (sometimes requiring minor fitting) with the Taurus 'stellar clip' moonclips, using 45acp ammo. Even if a person didn't want to go the moonclip route, .45LC in speedloaders would be almost as fast. (I use .44spl speedloaders in my .45LC taurus 450C. The rim on .45LC is so narrow, that .44spl speedloaders can be used. I do this in my 450C and ruger SRH 454 both.)

The moonclip and/or speedloader aspect makes me wonder if the DA revolving carbine might actually be a better second-tier option than lever-actions; and this from someone who really likes leverguns. The capacity is only five, vs the 7-8 of my leverguns, but they'd be both faster shooting and faster to reload than a lever action. I don't care a bit about .410 shotshells, but I do load and cast my own bullets in 45LC and 45acp both, so it seems like it might be a good fit. Also, use of moonclips would make policing up brass a whole lot less hassle when out playing with steel targets. Haven't bought one, just looking into them out of curiosity.

Garand 10-10-2019 07:09 AM

I just can't get into the gameness that would cause me to go out and buy another revolver that fires 7 or 8 shots. My S&W M66 & M625's have worked for me for the past 25 years so I just can't currently validate the need for another double action revolver at this time.


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