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Old 06-11-2016, 02:10 PM   #1
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shtf pistol is a joke. shtf means fighting rifles

and no pistol is going to amount to a hill of beans in such condition, no matter who you are.. shtf means the $100 bill is used to wipe your butt. All a pistol will be good for is suicide, or ambushing somebody at 20m or less, and taking their longarm.
 
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Old 06-11-2016, 02:17 PM   #2
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and no pistol is going to amount to a hill of beans in such condition, no matter who you are.. shtf means the $100 bill is used to wipe your butt. All a pistol will be good for is suicide, or ambushing somebody at 20m or less, and taking their longarm.
What about for back up? Nothing> I keep a chopped Star BM for just an occasion like SHTF.
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Old 06-11-2016, 04:18 PM   #3
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Curious for some historical precedent for this. Societal-breakdown situations where rifles were paramount and handguns were irrelevant.
 
 
Old 06-12-2016, 05:16 PM   #4
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history is full of them. wtf are you talking about? every place that has been invaded or collapsed, it was rifle time in short order. our own great depression was the single exception. all over Europe, it led to horror.
 
Old 06-12-2016, 06:12 PM   #5
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wtf are you talking about?
Not a trick question, I simply asked for:
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...historical precedent for this. Societal-breakdown situations where rifles were paramount and handguns were irrelevant.

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history is full of them.
Awesome. Then it should be a piece of cake to list a dozen or so examples of "societal-breakdown situations where rifles were paramount and handguns were irrelevant".
 
Old 06-13-2016, 10:21 AM   #6
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Hello...?
 
Old 06-13-2016, 02:54 PM   #7
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Still waiting...
 
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Still waiting...
I'm guessing it will be a while.
 
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We leave for a match in North Dakota early tomorrow morning, he might respond by the time we get back in a week or so.
 
Old 06-14-2016, 05:52 AM   #10
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if it aint a complete collapse why bother with more preps than a pistol, some gold coins and a bit of camping gear? u can just move out of the affected area. If it IS a general collapse, you're going to need more than just a pistol..
I asked for examples of "societal-breakdown situations where rifles were paramount and handguns were irrelevant", and your response was that "history is full of them". So list a dozen or so of these examples that "history is full of"...

The closest example to the current US situation I can think of in the last couple decades was Argentina; which was to south america the same thing the US is to north america. It was the most advanced, prosperous nation around. When it collapsed, it was definitely 'pistol time' not rifle time.

In WW2, we manufactured and sent liberator pistols to countries that had been invaded. They had rifles all over (including from the invaders), but even with all those rifles laying around everywhere, they desperately needed pistols.

Again I ask for a simple list of a dozen examples of what you say "history is full of". If you can't do so, not a big deal; just may be worth considering & pondering.
 
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...Again I ask for a simple list of a dozen examples of what you say "history is full of". If you can't do so, not a big deal; just may be worth considering & pondering.
 
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I can remember back years ago as a young infanteer having to take a dump out in the bush. Doing it while holding on to my rifle was an excellent exercise in how well my manual manipulation skills were, but it also told me there were moments that a handgun would be right handy.
 
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...wtf are you talking about? every place that has been invaded or collapsed, it was rifle time in short order. our own great depression was the single exception. all over Europe, it led to horror...
Again, no.

When the economy of Argentina collapsed, it was most certainly "handgun time", not rifle time. Read FerFAL's firsthand accounts or those of others who went thru it.

You bring up Europe; presumably talking about WW2 Europe. Fact is, when France fell to the Nazis, the handgun is what we mostly sent them to resist. (Not just France; but also Greece, China, and probably others)

Similarly when England looked like it was about to fall, it was handguns that were donated by Americans, collected, and shipped over there.

So no; the American depression isn't the 'single exception'.


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