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9x18 CAN get 45 grs to 1900 fps.

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#1 ·
Which is a good lick, 400 ft lbs, but there can't be any temp cavity damage at such low velocity. Still, the split nose can be made fragile enough to break apart at 1900 fps, so you still get 2 wound channels per hit, and a decent amount of shock and damage. The issue is, WHY settle for 400 ft lbs, when a .45 can be just as small and lw as a mak, and deliver over 700 ft lbs, be AP and HAVE the Mach II effect, have bigger chunks of bullet, with more momentum and penetration. Your life aint worth $300 more spent on your ccw pistol? Well, you ought to know! How can I argue with you about that? :)
 
#2 ·
What I have on me, I use. I have no problem whether I use 95 grain ball at 950-1050 fps,or hard cast FP,95-115 grains at 1100+ fps. All I care is that I hit first and close the deal. Some light for caliber stuff works,but by and large I've more confidence-and experience- on the " heavy side of middleweight ". I think you have a great idea there, but I wonder how quickly the 45 grain load sheds velocity and energy. Could be interesting to experiment with, though. What powder did you use back then?
 
#3 ·
Bullseye is the only one that works. This Makarov load will still kill you deadern' a rock at 40 yds, which is way too far for any realistic handgun use, anyway. What matters is what it does at 5 yds, heavy bullets are provably, on animals, very inferior to the split nose hi v loads. I've seen many a dog run off with a 158 gr jhp hit to the chest. NO sign of expansion. I"ve seen a couple make it 5 yds or so with a 110 gr jhp hit. One almost got to me. he got in my open driver'side door as I exited the far side door. as he got his front feet up on the seat and I turned to one handed DA point shoot at him, he fell back outside of the car. I"d shot him as he went by my passenger side, and he was able to run around the back side of my old stationwagon and get into the door. 2 seconds or so, with a 110 gr jhp 357 behind his shoulders.
 
#4 ·
Been lucky around most dogs ( both working and fighting breeds). Like them too much to want to kill them except in the gravest of extreme circumstances. I HAVE had other " social interactions " where plain vanilla ammo worked just fine, as long as I got solid hits.
 
#5 ·
sure, and half of the time, a tossed up coin will land "heads". but the OTHER half of the time, things can get VERY bad. When lugging around somehing as big and heavy as the mak, it only makes sense to have a load that's going to suffice 95% of the time, with ONE solid hit and that's the .460 Rowland split nose, 70 grs at 2200 fps, over 700 ft lbs, in a micro-1911. same 25 oz's and 6.7"x 5" size as the mak.
 
#6 ·
Now will the Mak take 1,900 fps in constant shooting before it comes apart? I built 50 rds of .400 Corbon 165 grain TMJ and had them zipping down range at 1,850 fps and parts started to break off the gun! Unfortunately reloading data for the .400 CorBon was very limited at the time.
 
#7 ·
your stupidity is showing AGAIN dumbass. who says you have to shoot this load much? those bullets take 10 minutes each to make. of COURSE you practice with regular ammo. a 12 year old girl could figuire that out! It doesn't ****ing MATTER cause you're many times more likely to be firing at 10 ft or less than you are at the ranges where any diff in impact would matter. you will be ****ting your pants and missing the entire MAN at 10 yds, multiple times, just like everyone ELSE does, when they are being shot-at.
 
#8 ·
I look at the 9x18 the way a lot of people use .380, but feel it brings a bit more to the table. Call it " enough at the time,until I lay hands on something a bit more authorative beyond 20-25 yards. No one ever felt like " Gee, I wish I was less well armed ". But,they do work well; and are both reliable and accurate. For some reason, I've always shot better with steel framed guns- be they Eastern Bloc or our side of the pond. Probably a grip angle/hand shape issue.
 
#9 ·
I'd rather use a steel frame semi auto than one made of alloy. I had a couple of bad experiences about 30 or so years ago with a S&W M39 and a S&W M59, I put about 2,500 rds of military ball ammo through each and they started tpo break parts on me. I have been a fan of steel ever since.
 
#11 ·
Gun kids idea of jacking the velocity of ammo past the proof round limit, is shear stupidity. Getting into a situation where you might have to depend on a firearm for months or even years, then have it come apart after only limited use does not make any sense.
 
#12 ·
True. Mainly, this got me thinking about the High Impulse loadings the Russians cooked up for the PMM variant,the Czech CZ 82" Black Bullet" loading; and what potential mods one could smith on a ( non collectible) Makarov PM variant ( beyond the obvious spring replacement). Call it a .45 Super conversion, scaled down to a Makarov.
I also got to wondering about that .380 1911 3/4 scale pistol- and( assuming a locked breech,Browning lockwork) still ponder the utility of a 9x18 barrel. IIRC,Nikto here had posted about hot loadings for locked breech .380's( Star?)in an earlier incarnation and I was thinking......
 
#13 · (Edited)
I backed off my experimental loads in .400 CorBon to approx. 1,350 fps and I'm sure that I'll get a lot more mileage out of my Series '70 & Combat Commander while still doing the job that it was built for effectively.
 
#14 ·
Good idea. " Using enough gun" doesn't just refer to exterior/terminal ballistics. Now YOU got me thinking about that old Network Custom Guns Gas Operated (Fixes Barrel) Conversion on the 1911A1- and the potential for that in the Super & .460 Rowland.... Thread Drift Alert! :)
 
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