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justme 07-27-2016 01:11 PM

if you aint got an auto rifle, better get one
at least a box mag fed .22lr, like the Marlin Papoose. If you aint got at least 10k rds of .22lr, better get it. You can always sell it, at very little loss, if trump wins.

John in AR 07-27-2016 02:47 PM

I got one... :)

John in AR 07-27-2016 02:54 PM

Seriously though, I really like marlin's newish "7-series" guns. I picked up a 7000 and a 795 some years ago and really like them. I think the 7000's been discontinued, which is both a shame and completely understandable. It had no iron sights and a heavy barrel, and while it's the second-most accurate .22 I have, it's just heavy for what it is. The 795 has irons and a lighter barrel, and while it isn't quite as accurate (at least mine isn't), it's still more accurate than is necessary for most things, and can be picked up for around $150 most days. IIRC, I paid $99 for mine at a Dick's Sporting Goods grand opening, mainly because I was so happy with the 7000 already.

Terry G 07-27-2016 03:21 PM

I prefer the Ruger 10/22. I had problems with Marlin's magazines. The papoose, to me, is ugly, I mean stone ugly. I know this is no way to judge a gun's worth, but I can't help it. It may be a fine rifle, but it looks wrong. 10/22's look right.

BigBassMan 07-27-2016 03:34 PM

Hard to beat a 1022
Been thinking about the takedown model in stainless with black stock, just can't convince myself I need another 1022 or any 22.
The new BX15 mag. is great, lot better than long 25 round hanging down. Picked up a couple for mine.

BigBassMan 07-27-2016 03:44 PM

Have you seen all that krap they make now for the 1022? Could spend a ton of money on them! All they really need is a trigger job or shoot the hell out of it an they get smoother. Small scope, 1 3/4 x 5, helps, or a 2x7

justme 07-27-2016 04:34 PM

I havent checked out .22 riflescopes in years. If they've got a 1-power variable, that's the one to get, along with see thru mounts for use with the day glo painted sights.

John in AR 07-27-2016 07:55 PM

[QUOTE=Terry G;240961]I prefer the Ruger 10/22...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigBassMan;240969]Hard to beat a 1022...[/QUOTE]

This is the consensus of most everyone I talk to and every ".22 rifle" thread on the internet, but the one 10-22 I've owned was both the least accurate rifle (.22 or otherwise) and had the worst trigger of any rifle (.22 or otherwise) that I've ever owned. Literally, the worst in both categories. I worked on its trigger for several hours and still only got it down to around six pounds or so; and no matter what scope or ammo I tried with it, I couldn't hit things with it that I could hit with my kid's little iron-sighted CZ 'scout' youth carbine. To be fair, it would feed and fire pretty much anything you fed it, but wouldn't hit squat.

The 10-22 (bought in 1998 or 99) and a Mossberg 500 pump bought in 2005 or 06, are the reasons I will never again buy a gun at walmart. The 10-22 was crap, and the 500 was literally put together with wrong parts & would drop shells from the mag tube on recoil. Some folks swear that "walmart guns" are made to cheaper specs than guns sent to other distributors, and some folks swear that that's utter nonsense. My total experience in the matter consists of only these two guns, but that's enough to scare me away from walmart guns forever. May be right, may be wrong, but I'm not a gambler at heart and since it costs almost nothing to avoid them, I simply avoid them.

Garand 07-27-2016 08:28 PM

I bought a Mossberg 500 back about '82 or '83 and had it for 21 years, one of the most reliable shotguns I have ever owned. As for the Ruger 10/22 we are having a bad week of it up here as the RCMP (who think that they have the right to pass their own laws) have declared any 10/22 mag above 10 rds a "prohibited" magazine because it will fit on the Ruger challenger pistol. This is the second time in 3 years that the RCMP have tried to make up their own laws in regard to firearms in Canada and our current lefty government is too stupid to put them in their place.

BigBassMan 07-28-2016 06:30 AM

Most of the time it is the stock touching the barrel somewhere, couple file strokes, problem solved. Factory triggers can be made nice or replaced.
I run into mag. problems all the time ordering, wanted a couple for my CZ75, would not send to IL cause they thought it was Chicago. Had to send to IN address. Same when I wanted the 15 round 1022 mags, nobody would send them here. Used to wonder why neighbor kept a IN address, now I see. Like to see Chicago slide into Lake Michigan. If I wasn't so damm old, would get out of this State, just do not feel up to a move at my age. But we all will not have to worry much longer, Hildabeast will be knocking on doors.

justme 07-28-2016 06:33 AM

not if I have anything to say about it. and I DO have something to say about it.

John in AR 07-28-2016 08:35 AM

[QUOTE=Garand;240994]I bought a Mossberg 500 back about '82 or '83 and had it for 21 years, one of the most reliable shotguns I have ever owned..[/QUOTE]
Didn’t mean it as a slam on 500’s or 10-22's, but a slam on walmart guns. The walmart 500 was a gift for one of my sons who was into competitive trap & skeet. (He made it to regionals that year) I have a plain-jane 500 that I bought before he was born, and it being such a good gun was a big part in my choice of buying a 500 for him. The walmart one I bought him has a ported barrel, ventilated rib, interchangeable tubes, etc; a relatively high-end gun as 500’s go. But the cartridge stop (or maybe cartridge interceptor; don’t recall for sure) was the wrong piece for a 12-gauge 500. Not just installed wrong, but the wrong one. So whenever you shot, during recoil the gun would dump a shell (sometimes two) out onto the ground.

Once we determined what the specific problem was, it was a ten-minute fix; just putting in the correct part. But I know that’s how it came from the store, because I’m the one who bought it over-the-counter NIB. I know that not all walmart guns have problems, because I’ve had a lot of guys online tell me that I’m full of hooey about this and how great their walmart 10-22’s and 500’s are. But while a quantity of two is obviously a small sample base, that fact that two out of two were [I]bad[/I], is enough to keep me from taking that particular gamble again. May just be a Karma thing; god not wanting me to buy guns at walmart perhaps. Whatever it is, I accept it and just don’t do it anymore. They “fooled me twice” so to speak, so I’m simply not going to try for three at this point.

justme 07-28-2016 09:49 AM

If I look it over carefully, I can normally tell if there's a problem before buying, essential on private sales. I can fix nearly anything, but many fixes are not worth the hassle. Walmart has a pretty lenient return policy, so why not just take it back, for another one or your money back? their prices are significantly lower than most gun stores,

Terry G 07-28-2016 11:59 AM

I heard the same thing about tires, TV's, and dairy products from Wal-Mart. Urban legend?

John in AR 07-28-2016 12:14 PM

The ammo I use most in my savage .308 is federal 180 hi-shok; federal's part number "308B". It's always been very reasonably priced and is as accurate as any load is going to be in my hands.

Last time I looked at some at walmart, I passed because the boxes are now factory-printed with part number "WM308B" instead of just "308B". I haven't run any of that thru the gun so I don't know if it's functionally different; but to one degree or another, it's certainly walmart-specific direct from the federal factory.

One of these days I'll probably try it, but I don't shoot that gun much.

Terry G 07-28-2016 01:14 PM

This is the first time I heard of proof of Wal-Mart specific products. I've never bought a firearm from them, but ammunition a plenty. I checked some steel cased Wolf I bought there against some I bought from Sportsman's Guide, no different markings that I could find. I was warned against tires from them by someone I trust.

BigBassMan 07-28-2016 03:44 PM

Most of their phones an electronics are made for them. Got a phone from them, later took to AT&T, told me it was junk.

justme 07-29-2016 09:13 PM

nobody shoots a 308 or any such rifle much. it's just pointless. a very few thousand rds per year, at most, and probably just 1-2 years, before they wise up.

BigBassMan 07-30-2016 04:46 AM

With a M1A when you hit something, it stays hit.
When it goes, at least 10 mags are shot an sometimes more so 1000 rounds would be only 5 trips, I go at least once a week sometimes more.
Like shooting it. A bit more modern version than the old ones. NM sights, NM barrel, lots of other stuff including a 6x18 scope, it will reach out an touch something at ranges a 223 can only dream about.

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