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Old 01-11-2021, 07:32 PM   #1
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shot 79 world champs with a ccw xdraw

and practiced with it a LOT that year. Wearing the rig home, riding with a S African female competitor, we encountered an 18 wheeler with some blacks running along side of it and its diesel tank was on fire. I dunno why the driver "thought' it was best to keep it moving? Anyway, 1-2 others were risking being run-over as they tried to smother the flames with gunny sacks.

Ida pulled over, and I looked at her quizically. She said "well, we must do SOMTHING" , So I loaded up the 1911, having had to empty it when I was done with the match and ran over to see what was what. I dont recall if we could see the fire part of it when we stopped. Anyway, I just walked with them until they got it put out. We'd covered 50-100m as he did so, and I looked up for her car, back where she'd stopped, but it wasnt' there. instead, she was running right alongside of the truck, with her 1911 braced on the window sill! :-) quite a gal. We then took one of the "boys" to the closest house, where he called his boss, then we took him back to his truck.

Somewhere along there, I noticed that my pistol was not back in the crossdraw rig, but instead stuck IWB,Mexican, in the speed rig position in from of my strong side hip, where I had LOTS more practice putting it. It is a VERY bad idea to move around your ccw gun/rig, guys. When it hits the fan, you dont want to be reaching for a different gun or in an different place than what you've practiced the most. If you need your gun, you want it to just "grow out of your wrist" while your conscious mind is occupied with other things, like do you have a clear field of fire, should you take cover first, do you need a sight picture or only a point-shot

people like garand, who've never seen any action, done nothing but plink, consider such things to be mere fantasy and they ARE, for lops like him. but people who've trained themselves to the cutting edge will know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. To this day, if something startles me at kicking distances or closer, I snap into my fighting stance. and I practice it a LOT less than I've practiced my CCW draw. As in 10x less.

I was talking to Joe Libra in his gunshop right after i came home from Korea/Army, 1973. I made reference to a 12 yo boy who was standing there as a 'child". Next thing I knew, I was being pummeled on my left side, while joe was on my right. I sidekicked whatever it was without looking and sent the kid flying back against the wall, where he slid down to the floor. He wasnt hurt, thankfully, cause he'd been too close to me for me to get any snap into the kick, but he was certainly shocked. So was Joe, who berated me for kicking a kid. I said "if he doesn't want to be treated as a man, he'd better keep his hands to himself' and left. That kick was sent before I could even turn my head, much less determine who was doing what.

In BBM's house one time, a drunk named Dan Denny almost got shot by pointing a loaded 357 at me. My hand had snapped to my commander instantly, but i'd have had to cycle the slide before killing him. Dinora said 'JOHN!" and I realized that it was just sloppiness, not a threat. With enough training/thought, your brain goes into overdrive in threat situations and you process things INSTANTLY.

i had a guy charge me with a crescent wrench, from 10 ft away, in CA in 1985. I was chamber empty, with a cut-down 1911 .45, in the speed rake position, Mexican IWB,open wear, cocked and locked. I got it out, chambered the rd, grabbed a weaver and he was STILL 2 steps away. I yelled "drop it" and he froze in mid-stride, dropped the wrench and fled. I was 1/4 second from killing him. i've had several other such incidents. That gun appearing like magic is an amazing thing, very gratifying when you look back on it later. If I'd been half a second slower on the draw, I'd have had to block his swing and shoot him. Which, while getting rid of a real pos, would still have been very messy for me at the time. I was on the run, had no car, etc.
 
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Old 01-12-2021, 08:23 AM   #2
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So Melvin tell me about your 18 months in uniform before you were thrown out of the Army, then I will tell you about my 28 years in the Army. I spent 7 years as Infantry & 21 years as an Ammo Tech/EOD. You spent 18 months beating a dog, lots of action! More fantasy stories from your criminal past, WOW! Least I didn't surrender to a meter maid!
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Old 01-12-2021, 08:36 AM   #3
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Beating guard dogs an killing somebodys pets seems like the only thing he can do.
 
 
Old 01-12-2021, 09:36 AM   #4
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...i had a guy charge me with a crescent wrench, from 10 ft away, in CA in 1985. I was chamber empty, with a cut-down 1911 .45, in the speed rake position, Mexican IWB,open wear, cocked and locked. I got it out, chambered the rd, grabbed a weaver and he was STILL 2 steps away. I yelled "drop it" and he froze in mid-stride, dropped the wrench and fled. I was 1/4 second from killing him. i've had several other such incidents. That gun appearing like magic is an amazing thing, very gratifying when you look back on it later. If I'd been half a second slower on the draw, I'd have had to block his swing and shoot him. Which, while getting rid of a real pos, would still have been very messy for me at the time. I was on the run, had no car, etc.
So from this, what is the takeaway? That carrying with no holster, an empty chamber, and the manual safety engaged is plenty adequate? Because according to your story, it is. (And why would anyone EVER carry a 1911 with the safety engaged on an empty chamber...?)

Or is the lesson here that carrying a pistol "open wear" when "on the run" is smart?


(And one relevant reality - a lunging or running man will average more than 50 inches per step; usually more than 60 inches. Meaning ten feet is 2 or 2.5 steps.)

So is the lesson from this story that you can draw a stuffed-in-your-pants (no holster) gun, disengage the safety, grab it with your second hand, rack the slide, assume a Weaver stance, yell at him to stop, all by the time the time a "charging" attacker can take one lunging step. Uh huh, that must be it...


Then again, maybe the lesson here is that a person should actually work in the present, to build a future, rather than fantasize about the past. I have no doubt that you remember the story as you tell it John. But it simply didn't happen that way; even if you were Jet Li it couldn't happen that way. Unless the "charging attacker" was a shuffling cripple; I guess that's also a possibility.
 
Old 01-12-2021, 10:17 AM   #5
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and practiced with it a LOT that year. Wearing the rig home, riding with a S African female competitor, we encountered an 18 wheeler with some blacks running along side of it and its diesel tank was on fire. I dunno why the driver "thought' it was best to keep it moving? Anyway, 1-2 others were risking being run-over as they tried to smother the flames with gunny sacks.

Ida pulled over, and I looked at her quizically. She said "well, we must do SOMTHING" , So I loaded up the 1911, having had to empty it when I was done with the match and ran over to see what was what. I dont recall if we could see the fire part of it when we stopped. Anyway, I just walked with them until they got it put out. We'd covered 50-100m as he did so, and I looked up for her car, back where she'd stopped, but it wasnt' there. instead, she was running right alongside of the truck, with her 1911 braced on the window sill! :-) quite a gal. We then took one of the "boys" to the closest house, where he called his boss, then we took him back to his truck.

Somewhere along there, I noticed that my pistol was not back in the crossdraw rig, but instead stuck IWB,Mexican, in the speed rig position in from of my strong side hip, where I had LOTS more practice putting it. It is a VERY bad idea to move around your ccw gun/rig, guys. When it hits the fan, you dont want to be reaching for a different gun or in an different place than what you've practiced the most. If you need your gun, you want it to just "grow out of your wrist" while your conscious mind is occupied with other things, like do you have a clear field of fire, should you take cover first, do you need a sight picture or only a point-shot

people like garand, who've never seen any action, done nothing but plink, consider such things to be mere fantasy and they ARE, for lops like him. but people who've trained themselves to the cutting edge will know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. To this day, if something startles me at kicking distances or closer, I snap into my fighting stance. and I practice it a LOT less than I've practiced my CCW draw. As in 10x less.

I was talking to Joe Libra in his gunshop right after i came home from Korea/Army, 1973. I made reference to a 12 yo boy who was standing there as a 'child". Next thing I knew, I was being pummeled on my left side, while joe was on my right. I sidekicked whatever it was without looking and sent the kid flying back against the wall, where he slid down to the floor. He wasnt hurt, thankfully, cause he'd been too close to me for me to get any snap into the kick, but he was certainly shocked. So was Joe, who berated me for kicking a kid. I said "if he doesn't want to be treated as a man, he'd better keep his hands to himself' and left. That kick was sent before I could even turn my head, much less determine who was doing what.

In BBM's house one time, a drunk named Dan Denny almost got shot by pointing a loaded 357 at me. My hand had snapped to my commander instantly, but i'd have had to cycle the slide before killing him. Dinora said 'JOHN!" and I realized that it was just sloppiness, not a threat. With enough training/thought, your brain goes into overdrive in threat situations and you process things INSTANTLY.

i had a guy charge me with a crescent wrench, from 10 ft away, in CA in 1985. I was chamber empty, with a cut-down 1911 .45, in the speed rake position, Mexican IWB,open wear, cocked and locked. I got it out, chambered the rd, grabbed a weaver and he was STILL 2 steps away. I yelled "drop it" and he froze in mid-stride, dropped the wrench and fled. I was 1/4 second from killing him. i've had several other such incidents. That gun appearing like magic is an amazing thing, very gratifying when you look back on it later. If I'd been half a second slower on the draw, I'd have had to block his swing and shoot him. Which, while getting rid of a real pos, would still have been very messy for me at the time. I was on the run, had no car, etc.


please list the firefights you have been in, where people were actually trying to kill you. I find it very difficult to believe you've ever experience combat with the crap you spew.

We could always identify a Pogue that never left the wire by the absolute crap they'd spew. And with your: Back, Knee, circulation issues, leaky heart valve, etc - just what do you think you're going to do from your fighting stance?
this probably should be in the humor section.
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Old 01-12-2021, 10:36 AM   #6
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So from this, what is the takeaway? That carrying with no holster, an empty chamber, and the manual safety engaged is plenty adequate? Because according to your story, it is. (And why would anyone EVER carry a 1911 with the safety engaged on an empty chamber...?)

Or is the lesson here that carrying a pistol "open wear" when "on the run" is smart?


(And one relevant reality - a lunging or running man will average more than 50 inches per step; usually more than 60 inches. Meaning ten feet is 2 or 2.5 steps.)

So is the lesson from this story that you can draw a stuffed-in-your-pants (no holster) gun, disengage the safety, grab it with your second hand, rack the slide, assume a Weaver stance, yell at him to stop, all by the time the time a "charging" attacker can take one lunging step. Uh huh, that must be it...


Then again, maybe the lesson here is that a person should actually work in the present, to build a future, rather than fantasize about the past. I have no doubt that you remember the story as you tell it John. But it simply didn't happen that way; even if you were Jet Li it couldn't happen that way. Unless the "charging attacker" was a shuffling cripple; I guess that's also a possibility.

he can do what no other human can do, the 21 ft rule, like most of physics, doesn't apply to him.
 
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please list the firefights you have been in, where people were actually trying to kill you.
But he has "thousands of hours of thinking about" combat. And of course, daydreaming about a topic makes it reality.

Which explains why I'm such an incredibly handsome billionaire who shoots like Taran Butler, sings like Bing Crosby and is hung like a shetland pony.
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Melvin in combat. Right. Where and when? Your war stories are generally about you against some other loser over drugs or some other criminal act. Of course there was the intense situation where you shot up somebody's store front with a .22. You must have nerves of steel. What 79 world champs did you shoot and when? BS through and through.
 
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maybe the cocker spaniel he did combat with counts? I'm new to the rules here.
 
Old 01-12-2021, 11:11 AM   #10
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"shot 79 world champs"

Just curious Melvin when is the last time you shot with a world champion? For me it was last September, I have 4 World Champions in various categories in my chosen discipline within 3 hours drive east of me, and 3 hours drive west of me. One couple I have shot with regularly for at least 16 years, the other couple close to 25 years. You find "World Champs" live everywhere and most are normal people.
 
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I suspect he means he "shot in the 1979 world championships", not that he "shot 79 world champs" (even though that's exactly what he said).
 
Old 01-12-2021, 02:47 PM   #12
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And he I thought the only time he shot a "Word" Match was in '77. I find it hard to believe though that a "World" match only had 25 shooters though.
 
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Not listed in the '79 list of winners either

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_I...un_World_Shoot
 
Old 01-12-2021, 03:05 PM   #14
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But he was listed as coming in at 46th place in American Handgunner

https://americanhandgunner.com/1980issues/HMA80.pdf
 
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- Came in 46th in 1979, and came in 19th (out of 25) in 1977; lowest score of any of the nine Americans who were there. So yes, he did compete at the world championships twice. Well done and a cool thing to be able to tell people. But coming in last among your countrymen, in a competitive game more than 40 years ago, shouldn't really be the core of one's existence nearly a half-century later.

Record of the 1977 competition: https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/1...-championship/


- His claim of being at the Columbia Conference is true. He was there, was on the "target" committee, and in actual shooting came in 17th. So low in fact that his was the lowest score to not be simply dropped from the record. Scoring was a possible 300, with 220 (a mere 73%) being called 'expert'. He shot 201, one point above the 200-point disqualification mark; below which all scores were dropped from even being recorded. (Two relevant points - 1976 to 2021 is 45 years, and 201 out of 300 was 67%. So he shot 67% on a well-publicized course of fire 45 years ago; and even back then not only didn't make 'expert' ranking but shot just one point above being disqualified. Again, certainly a cool thing to have done, but absolutely no indicator of master-level skill this many decades later.)

Columbia Conference minutes: https://www.krtraining.com/IPSC_1976...ce_Minutes.pdf


To be fair, he did have a reputation for very fast reflexes (as many of us did 40-50 years ago); just not for discipline or consistency.

And this isn't me posting any personal or private information. It's all public record, from public website links, relating to a topic that he regularly brings up himself. I'm just sharing links to the actual documentation of the actual events.
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- Came in 46th in 1979, and came in 19th (out of 25) in 1977; lowest score of any of the nine Americans who were there. So yes, he did compete at the world championships twice. Well done and a cool thing to be able to tell people. But coming in last among your countrymen, in a competitive game more than 40 years ago, shouldn't really be the core of one's existence nearly a half-century later.

Record of the 1977 competition: https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/1...-championship/


- His claim of being at the Columbia Conference is true. He was there, was on the "target" committee, and in actual shooting came in 17th. So low in fact that his was the lowest score to not be simply dropped from the record. Scoring was a possible 300, with 220 (a mere 73%) being called 'expert'. He shot 201, one point above the 200-point disqualification mark; below which all scores were dropped from even being recorded. (Two relevant points - 1976 to 2021 is 45 years, and 201 out of 300 was 67%. So he shot 67% on a well-publicized course of fire 45 years ago; and even back then not only didn't make 'expert' ranking but shot just one point above being disqualified. Again, certainly a cool thing to have done, but absolutely no indicator of master-level skill this many decades later.)

Columbia Conference minutes: https://www.krtraining.com/IPSC_1976...ce_Minutes.pdf


To be fair, he did have a reputation for very fast reflexes (as many of us did 40-50 years ago); just not for discipline or consistency.

And this isn't me posting any personal or private information. It's all public record, from public website links, relating to a topic that he regularly brings up himself. I'm just sharing links to the actual documentation of the actual events.
it was apparent back then too...

interesting.
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please list the firefights you have been in, where people were actually trying to kill you. I find it very difficult to believe you've ever experience combat with the crap you spew.

We could always identify a Pogue that never left the wire by the absolute crap they'd spew. And with your: Back, Knee, circulation issues, leaky heart valve, etc - just what do you think you're going to do from your fighting stance?
this probably should be in the humor section.
HEY MAN!!!! That Meter Maid he surrendered to Was SCARY and ****! she like had a BRIGHT Yellow Vest on!!!!!!!
 
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HEY MAN!!!! That Meter Maid he surrendered to Was SCARY and ****! she like had a BRIGHT Yellow Vest on!!!!!!!
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