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Old 11-02-2020, 03:02 AM   #1
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Best AR-15 Caliber

Among all the calibers used for the AR-15, the 6.5 Grendel is the best in business. The weapon is known to hit hard and performs exceptionally well to 1000 yards. It is the perfect suit for hunting and also ties with the 5.56 as the most versatile round.
 
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Old 11-02-2020, 08:56 AM   #2
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The Grendel is definitely more capable than the 5.56, but the 5.56 does everything I need an AR to do except maximize suppressed usage, which the Grendel also doesn’t do. My guns are only for recreation, defense, and hunting, and the 5.56 handles all of those fine, again with the exception of subsonic use thru a suppressor; and the 6.5 Grendel shares that same limitation. Additionally, the 5.56 lets me use cheap bulk ammo, which I would imagine would be substantially more expensive in the 6.5 caliber. (In normal times; none of them are cheap at the moment.)

I’ve not checked into it much, but haven’t there been problems with Grendel use in standard magazines? If so, that would likely be a deal-killer for me regardless.

If I were somewhere that I’d be shooting substantially longer distances, I’d probably look into the Grendel or 6.8 or some other bigger-than-556 AR caliber. But where I am, we don’t get shots at game past 100 yards very often. And at those ranges, a 225/5.56 can do anything I need a deer rifle or defensive rifle to do.
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Old 11-02-2020, 10:31 AM   #3
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Best Caliber depends on use, and you explained why you like the Grendel and your reasons are valid.

For suppressed under 200 yds? .300 AAC is hard to beat.
For general purpose usage, the 5.56 is a good choice
want to reach out with a commonly found round? an AR-10 in 7.62 is a good choice

the platform has proven to be versatile and easily adapted to a wide variety of calibers. Pick the one(s) that fit your needs and be happy.
 
 
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I want nothing to do with any caliber that's not the GI rd or which has no .22lr unit. I can just brain bigger animals if I have to harvest one. Bow hunters get within 40m of big game all the time, legal like. There's no reason in the world I can't get within 100m with bait, night vision, a blind, out of season.:-) I would do the same if it was legal for me. Anyone can get within 300m of any animal, even the mountain sheep and goats, with very little time or effort and wth can't hit them in the chest at such ranges, with sitting bipods, rangefinders, wind gauges, etc ? That's kid stuff. I'd never bother to own more than one AR and only in One caliber. I MIGHT consider buying a 24" match barreled upper group, tho, just to show guys how wrong they are about how "limited-range" the 223 is (not).
 
Old 11-04-2020, 07:25 PM   #5
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I want nothing to do with any caliber that's not the GI rd or which has no .22lr unit. I can just brain bigger animals if I have to harvest one. Bow hunters get within 40m of big game all the time, legal like. There's no reason in the world I can't get within 100m with bait, night vision, a blind, out of season.:-) I would do the same if it was legal for me. Anyone can get within 300m of any animal, even the mountain sheep and goats, with very little time or effort and wth can't hit them in the chest at such ranges, with sitting bipods, rangefinders, wind gauges, etc ? That's kid stuff. I'd never bother to own more than one AR and only in One caliber. I MIGHT consider buying a 24" match barreled upper group, tho, just to show guys how wrong they are about how "limited-range" the 223 is (not).
Well, itís clear youíve never hunted mountain sheep and goats. Little effort? You might try climbing some of those mountains....
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I want nothing to do with any caliber that's not the GI rd...
Why?
 
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I want nothing to do with any caliber that's not the GI rd or which has no .22lr unit. I can just brain bigger animals if I have to harvest one. Bow hunters get within 40m of big game all the time, legal like. There's no reason in the world I can't get within 100m with bait, night vision, a blind, out of season.:-) I would do the same if it was legal for me. Anyone can get within 300m of any animal, even the mountain sheep and goats, with very little time or effort and wth can't hit them in the chest at such ranges, with sitting bipods, rangefinders, wind gauges, etc ? That's kid stuff. I'd never bother to own more than one AR and only in One caliber. I MIGHT consider buying a 24" match barreled upper group, tho, just to show guys how wrong they are about how "limited-range" the 223 is (not).
have you ever bow hunted? do you know the actual stats on success rates?

I am a bow hunter, and I practice every single week, at least 500 arrows. it's harder than you think, and I have killed animals - have you?

and the .223 is not a magic round. It's a very good round, but there are far better long range rounds, that outclass the .223 at 500m and beyond.

you're welcome to your opinion, I just disagree on a number of levels.
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do you deny that guys take trophy animals with bows all the time, under legit circumstances? When i drove a truck in NM and CO, I could have taken a pronghorn a week with a .45 1911, no problem. They just ignore cars. yes, I've taken lots of animals, a few with a bow, but that was a long time ago. i brained an elk with a shorty 223, too. It's not that hard, folks. The hard part is vs other HUNTERS, in season, during daylight, trying for trophy males. If all you want is the meat, the 223 will do a fine job. People just want to try to "justify" having dozens of guns, instead of knowing how to do it all with the fighting gun. To me, it's all about having a fighting gun that CAN do it all. That's what hunting is about. Proving that you can do it with what you'll actually have, if you need to do it, as vs wanting to do it with some specialized item that makes it so easy that a little kid can do it. I"ve owned a couple of .44 mags, a .30 Herret Contender, In fact, I had to run down a coon or possum (I forget) and kill it with a .22 unit on a 1911, cause big bass man couldnt get the scope on it, (it was dark). I tossed it onto the road and Joe shot it with the Herret. It did blow him up pretty good, AFTER the .22 killed it. :-) i was squirrel hunting along side Butch one time, East and a bit South of Hettick, ILL. Butch had a scoped Marlin M60, and kept hesitating, wanting a head shot (I guess). and I just started in banging with the .22 unit on the 1911. The squirrel fled and I got it with subsequent rounds. Butch had egg on his face. I used to drive around the back roads a lot in Ill, especially between Gillespie and Hillsboro, and on up into Chatham. My buddy Lee Cloud road with me for several years. He shot a rabbit with my 357 Blackhawk and said, "that's the firs time I've gotten anything while hunting with you, John". I said, nah, we've taken lots of critters" and he replied, "no, John, YOU"VE taken lots of critters and I watched. :-) That same Contender, my brother Russell wanted to blow up something with it. The light was bad and he flinched, missed a rabbit at 10m or so. It tried to run up an embankment and I cut it down with a barrage from the 22 unit. I tossed it out onto the road and he blew it apart with the Contender. Pistol scopes and single shots just don't cut it for fast work up close in bad light. and sometimes, that's the best way to harvest a lot of game. While i hunted all year long, I probably took less critters than legit hunters using shotguns in season. I was testing ccw guns and loads. It's quite amazing what a fast burst of .22's can do, or one that's very carefully placed. My first deer was still flopping after taking two 150 gr sp's at close range, the first of which shattered her spine and both of which blew 1.5" wide holes in her. A medium powered .45 swc to the brain, tho, stiffened her like a RR iron. Put one into the light center and it's all over. That's what Bell said about elephants, that he brained with a mere 7x57.

It takes Garand 1.6 seconds to react, ccw draw and hit the torso at 10 ft, on average. That's being genrous. I can react ccw draw and hit the brain in 1.3 seconds, quite reliably at that range. Who would you rather bet your life on, hmm?

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Old 11-09-2020, 08:18 AM   #9
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Again the most important questions are what do you plan on hunting, what range do you normally practice at, what type of geographical location are you planning on hunting in?
 
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It takes Garand 1.6 seconds to react, ccw draw and hit the torso at 10 ft, on average. That's being genrous. I can react ccw draw and hit the brain in 1.3 seconds, quite reliably at that range. Who would you rather bet your life on, hmm?
Melvin you have never seen me shoot, I also shoot at least once a week, how often do you shoot? Please post video of your current abilities, otherwise you have no credibility (which is quite normal).
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Why?
 
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I would bet the farm on Garand he actually own's guns and shoots them. Melvin you don't even OWN a gun and haven't shot one in any kind of stress environment in what? 45 years? Do you still remember which end the bullet comes out of? You stick with your .223 theory on big game because your scared of the noise and recoil of a heavier, more suitable rifle. You've said this yourself.
 
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Melvin, I own firearms in .22, .357, .44 Mag, .45acp, .45 Colt, 5.56mm, .32-40, .30-30, .30 Carbine, 6.5x55, .30-06, .45-70, 12 gauge. I also shoot (during the winter months) 250-300 rds of ammo every Wednesday morning. Melvin, please list the calibers of the firearms that YOU own and how often do you shoot? Pictures would be appreciated.
 
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...It takes Garand 1.6 seconds to react, ccw draw and hit the torso at 10 ft...
As you and Garand have never met, that's a very detailed and specific hallucination.

You really do have a 'Basic Instinct' or 'Single White Female' type fixation with him, don't you...
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As you and Garand have never met, that's a very detailed and specific hallucination.

You really do have a 'Basic Instinct' or 'Single White Female' type fixation with him, don't you...
And somewhere out there I on the internet I wonder if a"JJ" is feeling alone tonight?.....
 
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Melvin you have never seen me shoot, I also shoot at least once a week, how often do you shoot? Please post video of your current abilities, otherwise you have no credibility (which is quite normal).
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I can tell by your posts that you're C class, at best. You always have been and always will be. people like me never have to do more than dryfire to beat people like you. Any top hand will tell you the same thing.
 
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I can tell by your posts that you're C class, at best. You always have been and always will be. people like me never have to do more than dryfire to beat people like you. Any top hand will tell you the same thing.
I bench pressed 940lbs yesterday. I can tell by your posts that you eat poop.

Makes as much sense as your pontifications...
 
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You really do have a 'Basic Instinct' or 'Single White Female' type fixation with him, don't you...
your really making me glad I practice so often, the thought of Melvin having inappropriate sexual thoughts about me is enough to scare anyone!
 
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