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Old 10-26-2020, 03:05 PM   #1
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1.2 seconds to react, raise rifle, hit at 25m

on the A or C zone of an IPSC torso, on the timer, from Rhodesian Ready, safety engaged, finger outside of the trigger, rifle held horizontally across the thighs. Average of 5 tries. 1.5 seconds, same thing at 50m, 1.9 seconds, 100m. With the modified open rear sight, AR, and trigger job. Nothing to it. That's the point. Use the gear that makes it easy. and stick to that gear, unless given an overwhelming reason to switch to something else. The weak hside shoulder is still about 1/4 second slower (despite the ambi-safet) It's also more prone to the occasional D zone hit. at such speeds.
 
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Old 10-26-2020, 03:06 PM   #2
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The man above can beat garand and his silly lever action all day, any day, from the weak shoulder, garand shooting however he wants. first shot, multiple shots, whatever.
 
Old 10-26-2020, 04:07 PM   #3
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1.2 seconds to react, raise rifle, hit at 25m on the A or C zone of an IPSC torso, on the timer, from Rhodesian Ready, safety engaged, finger outside of the trigger, rifle held horizontally across the thighs. Average of 5 tries. 1.5 seconds, same thing at 50m, 1.9 seconds, 100m. With the modified open rear sight, AR, and trigger job. Nothing to it. That's the point. Use the gear that makes it easy. and stick to that gear, unless given an overwhelming reason to switch to something else. The weak hside shoulder is still about 1/4 second slower (despite the ambi-safet) It's also more prone to the occasional D zone hit. at such speeds.
John this reduced 12x16 (12x20 if you count the head) silhouette target:


is the same size as the C zone of an IPSC target. You can see from the divots and chunks taken out at the edges that I use full-power ammo; it inevitably gets some damage when you shoot closer than 100 yards, which I often do.

On your sling setup, I have no idea why someone would sling their rifle so low as to be across their thighs when standing. I have long monkey arms (37 sleeve) and thats way too low even for me. But thats another topic.


This old video that Ive posted before was at 102 feet (34 yards, or 36% further than your 25 yards); reacting to the buzzer, gun at low port (pointed at ground ~6-8 feet in front), safety on, finger outside the trigger. This was with an inexpensive Sparc red dot (back before the Sparc 2 even came out); not with open sights. But a red dot with backup iron sights is how my defensive long gun is set up, so thats how I shoot it.

Thing is, even shooting substantially further away than your description, my slowest, cold-start time was still only 0.86 seconds. In fact, on my cold start my second hit is still only at 1.25 seconds total. My second (warmer) run was 0.78 and 0.39, for 1.17 seconds total. My third was 0.60 and 0.29, for 0.89 second total to react, bring up the gun, take off the safety, and hit the target twice.

And heres the main thing to remember: Im not great, and make no claims at all of being great. The current standards are very different than they were in the 1970s and 80s, and nowadays even a guy whos not great still can do two hits in less than a second; much less one shot in 1.2 seconds.

Ready? Here's the video. Nothing earth-shattering; it's something I've posted here years ago:
 
 
Old 10-27-2020, 02:23 AM   #4
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Melvin, when is the last time you were present on the same range as I was on at the same time? Oh never you say. I will admit that I am not as fast as I was 24 (?) years ago when I first ran into you on the "Bugout Board", but I still shoot multiple disciplines annually (given a normal year, of course). Throughout the year, I also spend multiple days & weeks on the range working up new loads and just general practice, unlike you.


Melvin, you always count on having a specific firearm, as if that is the holy grail, guess what it is not! Admittedly Melvin you are the "King of the 1/2 Day Field Exercise", but someone younger with better field craft skills than you have could take you down using "obsolete" firearms like a 120 year old Swedish Mauser, or a 120 year old Winchester M 1894 or a 106 year old Colt 1911. It is not the firearm Melvin, it is how good your marksmanship is with any reliable firearm, along with how well you have chosen your gear and how good your field craft is.
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