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boati 10-07-2019 03:24 AM

dead's dead

boati 10-07-2019 03:26 AM

clink on the "tools' and "printable version" if y ou can't see the link

John in AR 10-07-2019 05:45 AM

Yes, the whole issue of "what bullet did you shoot him with" is as irrational as a lot of the anti-gun nonsense we hear from modern politicians. If it takes him out of the fight, it really doesn't matter if it's made out of explosives or marshmallows.

Dorobuta 10-07-2019 09:13 AM

I know, I get into these kinds of discussions over hunting rounds. Yes, your super whiz-bang round is going 200fps faster than my round. Do you really think the deer or elk will notice? will it shrug off the 200fps difference?

Or the converse: why did you use a .338 to shoot that coyote? isn't that too much gun?

at which point did he become more dead?

John in AR 10-07-2019 09:37 AM

Definitely. I don't know about anywhere else, but I know that Americans tend to not only be somewhat power-mad with their hunting rifle choices, but they often look for an equipment solution to a shooter shortcoming. My favorite firsthand example is one of my wife's family members (now deceased) who probably 30 years ago missed three deer in one weekend at 30-50 yards with his long-had .30-30 winchester. His solution? Rather than figure out why he suddenly couldn't hit a deer at short-to-medium range with a familiar rifle, he decided that a .30-30 wasn't capable, and so replaced it with a semiauto in .30-06, with a scope. Again, shooting deer size animals, in brush, at 50 yards and less, and his 'solution' was more power, faster follow-up shots, and a magnified scope. Made no sense at all, but it made him happy and didn't hurt anyone, so bless his heart I suppose.

In the mid-90's I sold off the only gun I had that was more powerful than .308; a .300 Win Mag BAR. A beautiful, great-shooting gun, but there's just nothing in Arkansas it's necessary for. Anymore, I don't own any rifle more powerful than .308 except for the .454Casull levergun, but it mostly gets used with 45colt stuff.

Even ammo-wise I've toned it down some. After taking one deer with hornady's 'light magnum' .308 and seeing how much overkill even that was, I've gone down to more middle-of-the-road ammo. Even with mid-range ammo, the .308 is still more than five times as powerful as my dad's long-time .25-20 deer carbine was, and does fine.

Just no need for tons & tons of power for anything in my world.

Terry G 10-07-2019 02:09 PM

My Son's in-laws are a big Deer hunting Family but until recently their county was a shotgun only area. It was switched to centerfire rifle a few years back. Every one of his in-laws went to a real powerhouse without really researching anything. .300 Winchester Magnum was the most popular with one going for a .338. Talking to the Father-in-law I just asked "For Whitetail?" Now Wisconsin Deer run big and I'd be the last to recommend small caliber, but really?

Garand 10-10-2019 06:59 AM

For years I went out to the local rifle and shot during the work up months to hunting season. I seen to many people with rifles that were more powerful and the ammunition more expensive than it needed to be. I can't count the "hunters" that I have seen, that bring their favorite bang stick out of the closet for the first time in 50 weeks and go out and zero it for 1 minute of T-34 tank. I've have stopped going to the outdoor range at this time of year because I just can't stand the stupidity and the unsafe acts I have seen.

What impresses me is the few hunters that I see when I do load development in April, May & June that are zeroing their rifles for cold bore shots in the fall. Marksmanship is a perishable skill, whether you want to admit it or not.

Garand 10-10-2019 07:00 AM

double post

John in AR 10-10-2019 08:00 AM

[QUOTE=Garand;294169]...the stupidity and the unsafe acts I have seen...[/QUOTE]
That's the truth. The people who go all year without touching a firearm and then grab their new short-super-magnum & wander into the woods itching to touch off a shot at something, are one of the most worrisome types we have around here. May sound stupid or extreme, but during deer season I wear hard armor when in the woods; even if I'm not hunting myself. Won't help if I get head shot, but it's at least some amount of protection from trigger-happy goobers.

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