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Old 08-21-2019, 05:10 AM   #1
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Bear Defence with a Handgun

For years Melvin has said that you could take down a bear with a .22. Well apparently you can, but I think I'd rather have a 10mm or .44 magnum personally. Excellent article I found this morning.

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/08/han...#axzz5xDJHALV3
 
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Old 08-21-2019, 12:43 PM   #2
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Interesting. Total of 73 documented incidents, with handguns from .460 on down to .22 rimfire, and 96% success in stopping the attack. I would have guessed a lower success rate.
 
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I was completely surprised that he was able to dig up all those stats.
 
 
Old 08-24-2019, 01:50 PM   #4
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.22 to the face just bounces off of John, tho, cause he's so ****ing tough.
 
Old 08-24-2019, 05:33 PM   #5
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I thought it was much lower with a handgun, more like 60/40 against. I did use Bear Spray once on a large male Black Bear in Ontario. He took right off and didn't come back. My Son was covering me at the time with an M-1 Garand.
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:03 AM   #6
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.22 to the face just bounces off of John, tho
Never said that, you silly child.

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...cause he's so ****ing tough.
Thank you for noticing. I've put substantially tougher men than you in handcuffs. Heck, I've put substantially tougher women than you in handcuffs I expect.

In my late 30's:


In my early 50's:


In my late 50's:


I'm not overly fast, but I'm retarded strong. When I grab hold of something, it generally moves. That's how I can manage to be gentle; because gentleness isn't weakness, it's controlled strength. Ever notice how a small child can't be gentle with a puppy or kitten? That's because the child is inherently weak and has no control. There's a lesson in there, doofus.


Feel free to show us this macho-man physique that you perennially brag about - the shape your senior-citizen body is in after years of admitted welfare living and drug dependency - if you really want to go down that road. It might be a good object lesson for younger guys out there, to see the toll that drug dependency takes on people, even the ones that manage to survive on welfare to senior citizen status as you have.

(And happy birthday this week, btw; 67 years old, haven't been able to legally own a gun for almost 40 of those years, and still consider yourself as an 'expert' on the subject... )

Seriously John; if you'd be polite, so would the grownups.
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Old 08-26-2019, 10:28 AM   #7
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Afterthought - just dawned on me. Even though you're nearing 70 now, you were about my children's age the last time you could even legally own a firearm. Seriously, you really should take that into consideration when making claims of prowess and expertise; because everyone is aware of it and it really just doesn't make sense.
 
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the **** you didn't. You claimed that a silenced 22 pocket gun was worthless, cause you ASSUMED i'd be shooting at the chest, cause that's all YOU can manage.
 
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Afterthought - just dawned on me. Even though you're nearing 70 now, you were about my children's age the last time you could even legally own a firearm. Seriously, you really should take that into consideration when making claims of prowess and expertise; because everyone is aware of it and it really just doesn't make sense.
bill jordan was still 'beating the drop" in his 70's. Most of Elmer keith's writing career, he was as old as me. Lots of guys in their 70's still run marathons. I"ve lost 20 lbs due to a recent surgery. 20 more and i'll look like a million $. My legs and abs have always been amazing. The surgeon said he'd never had to slice thru such thick abs.
 
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.22 to the face just bounces off of John, tho, cause he's so ****ing tough.
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Never said that, you silly child.
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the **** you didn't.
Again, I never said that.

(You silly child.)

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Old 03-23-2020, 07:00 AM   #11
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bill jordan was still 'beating the drop" in his 70's. Most of Elmer keith's writing career, he was as old as me.
And they shot on a regular basis. You haven't done so (shot on a regular basis) in decades. There's a major difference there.

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I"ve lost 20 lbs due to a recent surgery.
So that's either a weight-loss surgery (lipo, etc), or just normal convalescing from some other gut surgery. And neither of those is something that makes a person stronger.

If you're such a hulked-out Adonis, prove it. All it takes is a free photobucket account. Unlike you, I make no claims of being some super-fit demigod. I'm strong, but I'm honest enough to acknowledge that that's not the same thing. I'd be more fit if I spent more time on aerobic stuff, but my time simply goes to other things. (Juggling & rearranging things to keep our employees busy with all these customers closing their doors, finding the one brand of bottled water that my wife's chemo will let her tolerate, keeping our technicians supplied with PPE gear, etc. Because that's what grownups in positions of responsibility do.)

Just be nice, and we can have some civil conversations. Knee-jerk hostility, mindless insults, and unproven pontifications aren't helpful to anyone.
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Old 03-23-2020, 04:47 PM   #12
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It's impossible for wonder boy to be civil. On his own short lived website he was rude and name calling was his trademark. He's just a bitter old man that threw his life away. I can't recall a single individual that did as much prison time as Melvin ever being really "Normal" again.
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And what's sad is there is a friend of mine on Facebook whom I went to school with from 3rd grade up to around 10th who then went through a rough patch. Got a felony conviction but woke up and straightened his act out.
Steady job, wife kids and rails against drugs including legalized pot.
Then there's Melvin.
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Old 03-24-2020, 09:20 AM   #14
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For years Melvin has said that you could take down a bear with a .22. Well apparently you can, but I think I'd rather have a 10mm or .44 magnum personally. Excellent article I found this morning.

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/08/han...#axzz5xDJHALV3
I'd rather use a .41 Magnum than a .44 - slightly better penetration, plus it is one of the guns I'm currently lusting after. (practical? nope, just one of those guns I want to have)
 
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Nothing wrong with impractical things, as long as you have the practical stuff covered first. I've been watching 'The Mentalist' on netflix lately and am starting to develop an irrational interest in Citroen DS's. Not really practical as it's out of production (ie, obsolete), foreign, I live quite a ways down a gravel road, and odds are it wouldn't be comfortable for me anyway, but still can't help wondering about it.

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John if that's the size car I think it is you or me could just get out and carry it over the rough spots.

Seriously on two different occasions I helped get a VW Bug, older model, and VW Fox station wagon unstuck out in National Forest and Park lands respectively.

Frankly though after owning 2 Deawoo compacts and a clapped out Ford P71 I'm done with cars for awhile.

I'm just loving my new to me Dodge Ram 1500 decent leg room and not like my stones are dragging on pavement.
 
Old 04-06-2020, 01:49 AM   #17
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Amazingly, an update of the article;
https://www.ammoland.com/2020/03/upd...#axzz6ITL1u3oQ
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90 out of 93, both impressive and surprising.
 
Old 04-06-2020, 09:02 AM   #19
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While I have a couple of .44 magnums, I have come to the realization that there will come a day where both my wife and I will not be able to use the guns to their maximum potential, I'm having difficulty in coming up with an alternate. Let me clarify something, I have 2x .44 magnum revolvers, rifles not included.

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Old 04-06-2020, 11:24 AM   #20
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Again, I'm amazed the success rate was so high. It shows how good an idea it is to carry a handgun in Bear country. I don't have any of the super magnums, I would be limited to a .357 Magnum or a .45 Colt. But then I only go in Bear country where handguns are forbidden to non-citizens. No matter what, I wouldn't go hiking around in a Grizzly or Black Bear area with a .22 on my hip. Anyone who has seen a Black Bear close uo (Not in a Zoo) will have total respect for them. Even "Smokey" here out breakfast visitor did not seem to want to be petted.
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