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Old 08-01-2019, 08:13 AM   #1
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Looking for suggestions.

Finished one pistol build - .300 Black out (crappy picture attached), I have another lower looking to build into something interesting.

Considering something like a .450 on one end of the spectrum and a nice 9mm on the other. This is purely for fun, and because I can.

Already have .223 and .308, looking for something interesting in a pistol.

(I like the .450 for hogs / handgun hunting, but the 9mm, might be fun as an alternative to an MP-5)

I've since put a better red-dot on the gun - that was a cheap Sig that I had laying around. I put a Holosun on it, the one with built-in solar panel. So far it has held up and works good enough for my uses.
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Old 08-01-2019, 09:55 AM   #2
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I have a 9mm ar pistol almost identical in size to the .300 pistol, and I really like it. Being a blowback it recoils more than you would think, but it's a fun cheap caliber to shoot.
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:09 AM   #3
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Bored, so time for porn...

Fwiw, the 9mm:

Will probably swap out the 'blade' brace to a different one eventually. The blowback action and edge profile of the blade brace make it surprisingly uncomfortable to shoot a lot.


and the .300bk:


Fwiw, any more the .22 AR pistol is honestly more fun than either of those for me personally, possibly because it's so much cheaper to shoot.


All three work with the Mystic-X suppressor, which is a nice side benefit. I actually don't shoot a lot anymore; last time I used any of those was the .22 probably a couple months ago, for a feral cat that was causing problems.
 
 
Old 08-02-2019, 09:33 AM   #4
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How does those Black Dog mags work? Picked some up an have never tried them.
 
Old 08-02-2019, 12:19 PM   #5
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if you've already got one like it, why bother with another? Why not work over a M21 Beretta and create a pocket trail gun that groups 2" at 25 yds, 5.5" long, 11 ozs. Anothr 3.5" of silencer and you'll have something realy sweet and since ATF destroyed mine, something unique. You can pin down the pop up barrel, add a cap to the top rear of the slide, dovetail in a real rear sight, add the 3", threaded barrel, dovetail a real front sight into the thread protector-collar, fit an extractor, extend the thumb safety, get rid of the DA by heat-bending the trigger so as to restrict its rearward movement, fit a mag from the PT22 Taurus
 
Old 08-02-2019, 03:04 PM   #6
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Most people like various guns an have quite a few, an we can own them legally. Not some butchered piece of krap.
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:13 PM   #7
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How does those Black Dog mags work? Picked some up an have never tried them.
Theyíve been pretty much perfect; I donít recall any jams at all. The ones I have are a mish-mash of different ones, just whatever Iíve caught on sale or closeout.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 02:02 PM   #8
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Plus the M 21 ist kaput.as a Berreta model and has been for a couple of years at least. I like for what they are but why turn it into a half assed forage gun when there are plenty good light weight options right out of the box anymore?
Cripes it's a new millennium dude.
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Old 08-06-2019, 03:33 PM   #9
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Fried brain still stuck at 1976 it seems.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 05:39 AM   #10
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Plus the M 21 ist kaput.as a Berreta model and has been for a couple of years at least...
They discontinued the 21A? I didn't know that.

It's a well-made and functional gun, just horrifically weak. I bought one for my wife more than thirty years ago, before I had a chronograph; and when I finally did clock some rounds thru it I was stunned at how badly the short barrel neuters even good loads. Most 'high-velocity' loads thru it only run between 55 and 59 ft/lbs of energy. Even Stingers only run 58 ft/lbs from it. Very disappointing, but the inevitable result of small mass at low velocity.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 06:48 AM   #11
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Melvin, personally I'll stay with my Beretta M71 which I actually own. All you have left are your fantasies......................................... .... sad really.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 09:18 AM   #12
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They discontinued the 21A? I didn't know that.

It's a well-made and functional gun, just horrifically weak. I bought one for my wife more than thirty years ago, before I had a chronograph; and when I finally did clock some rounds thru it I was stunned at how badly the short barrel neuters even good loads. Most 'high-velocity' loads thru it only run between 55 and 59 ft/lbs of energy. Even Stingers only run 58 ft/lbs from it. Very disappointing, but the inevitable result of small mass at low velocity.
Got me curious whether I was remembering it wrong, so I looked it up on my spreadsheet. I was remembering right - stingers from the little 21A averaged 57.8 ft/lbs.

Out of curiosity I checked factory-ammo ballistics, because I suspected that even a .32 or .380 pistol would have those same power levels out to a couple hundred yards. I was very wrong on the 'couple hundred yards' thing. Turns out that even a little .380acp (federal hydrashok, from their website calculator) still has that same energy (59 ft/lbs) at a staggering 450 yards. Again - the 21A, even loaded with stingers, has less energy at the muzzle than a .380acp pistol has at a quarter mile. There's just no way I can bring myself to trust that power level for defensive purposes.

Shame because it's such a nice little gun, but it's just got no oomph to it.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 01:34 PM   #13
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Got me curious whether I was remembering it wrong, so I looked it up on my spreadsheet. I was remembering right - stingers from the little 21A averaged 57.8 ft/lbs.

Out of curiosity I checked factory-ammo ballistics, because I suspected that even a .32 or .380 pistol would have those same power levels out to a couple hundred yards. I was very wrong on the 'couple hundred yards' thing. Turns out that even a little .380acp (federal hydrashok, from their website calculator) still has that same energy (59 ft/lbs) at a staggering 450 yards. Again - the 21A, even loaded with stingers, has less energy at the muzzle than a .380acp pistol has at a quarter mile. There's just no way I can bring myself to trust that power level for defensive purposes.

Shame because it's such a nice little gun, but it's just got no oomph to it.
That's what I think happened. The micro .32's and .380's probably caused it's demise. If possible further down the road I'd love to get another for old times sake but not at any scalper's prices.
I used to carry one as a back up to a back up so to speak. Although decently accurate for what it was I always considered it a very close range gun.
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it'll put a bullet thru a pine 2x4 at 10 ft, at least half of the time. When you take one to the head, it's gonna wreck your world, whether or not it actually penetrates your skull. Follow up shots then go up your nose, in your ear hole, eye socket or larnyx. Since the wife's got converted to SA-only, with better sights, etc, she loves it. That's what prompted her to get rid of her CM9 and PT22. There's nothing of more power that can be adequately silenced, and still be small enough to be carried IWB under a shirt, to let a guy reliably react draw and hit the brain at 10 ft in 1.2 seconds on the timer. The 380, unless hot loaded in a locked breech, doesn't have ENOUGH more power to change anything. Even chucks and small dogs run a LONG ways after taking 380 jhp's thru the ribcage. also true of .45 and 9mm ball, of course, .38 swc and lhp's, too.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 03:04 PM   #15
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Beretta still shows the M21 on their homepage. They can be hard to find used, and expensive, too. The M71 berreta is at least 2" longer than the M21 much too big to carry concealed, with an adequate silencer on it, for anyone but a trenchcoat-flasher like Garand. it takes special knowledge to get the M21 quiet in an OAL of 9", which is just barely CCW capable under a T shirt, if you have the right body build.


http://www.beretta.com/en-us/pistols/#c=Pocket&mpp=24
 
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it'll put a bullet thru a pine 2x4 at 10 ft, at least half of the time. When you take one to the head, it's gonna wreck your world, whether or not it actually penetrates your skull. Follow up shots then go up your nose, in your ear hole, eye socket or larnyx. Since the wife's got converted to SA-only, with better sights, etc, she loves it. That's what prompted her to get rid of her CM9 and PT22. There's nothing of more power that can be adequately silenced, and still be small enough to be carried IWB under a shirt, to let a guy reliably react draw and hit the brain at 10 ft in 1.2 seconds on the timer. The 380, unless hot loaded in a locked breech, doesn't have ENOUGH more power to change anything. Even chucks and small dogs run a LONG ways after taking 380 jhp's thru the ribcage. also true of .45 and 9mm ball, of course, .38 swc and lhp's, too.
Your still harping about shooting Dog's? Are you ever going to grow up? Did you get bit or something when you were a child that you fear Dog's so much? Even small Dog's?
 
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That's what I think happened. The micro .32's and .380's probably caused it's demise. If possible further down the road I'd love to get another for old times sake but not at any scalper's prices.
I used to carry one as a back up to a back up so to speak. Although decently accurate for what it was I always considered it a very close range gun.
I bought a little PT22 for my Wife after seeing a friend's Wife's M21 and thinking it a neat little .22 to carry in a purse. After taking both Wives out to the range to shoot at targets I noticed the .22 HV HP's stuck in the target frames. I tried both on a 2X4 and the result was very unimpressive. My Wife's carrying a CZ 82 and my friend's Wife a BERSA .380 now. I still have the little PT22 but it just lay's in the safe.
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