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Old 06-13-2016, 09:54 PM   #1
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P3AT keltec conceals between palms

you can pull it out like handing over your wallet and brain a man before he even knows what's up. It needs a much better set of sights, but the thing is the ideal size and weight for a constantly carried gun. too bad it's feeble and DAO
 
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Old 06-13-2016, 09:57 PM   #2
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tempted to have wifey get a keltec P32, and just wear it on the back of her neck, under her hair.10 ozs, loaded, locked breech, handloaded to 200 ft lbs each, 1200+ fps with the 60 gr silvertip., 7 rd mag.
 
Old 06-14-2016, 05:36 AM   #3
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How do you bump the silvertip from 783 fps (per BBTI thru a beretta) up to 1200 fps; a more than 130% jump in muzzle energy, with the same bullet in the same gun?
 
 
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Winchester wussy loads the 380 Silvertip, for safety in the blowback guns. the locked breech of the keltec handles it easily. I've explained before. something about the hollowbase, aluminum jacket, lubricant and 85 gr weight lets you safely drive it to 1100 fps in a 3" blowback. So the locked breech easily handles another 100 fps, even in a 1/2" shorter barrel.

are you aware that proof loads for .22lr are 50% overloads? :-) that's the industry standard, guns have to be safe with 50% more pressure than is shown by factory ammo

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Old 06-14-2016, 03:19 PM   #5
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I am, iirc it runs something like 140-155% for most handgun calibers; maybe all calibers, I really don't keep up on it.

{edit - accidentally hit 'submit'. Two problems I'd have with it are that I don't know if a 50% increase in chamber pressure necessarily equates to a 50% increase in muzzle energy. It might; I've never looked into it. Secondly, I'm simply not going to run proof-level loads on a regular basis; just not going to happen.}

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Old 06-14-2016, 04:53 PM   #6
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Why would anyone regularly use a load that could a) potentially damage the firearm and b) potentially damage the shooter just to get a little more speed. If you shot is accurate the first time there is no "need" for a "miracle" round.
 
Old 06-15-2016, 10:59 AM   #7
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EYE never agreed with this stupid bs with having to practice with what you carry. test with it, then run medium power handloads, preferably in a spare/practice gun. EYE never said you get 50% increase in velocity with 50% increase in pressure. What I DID say was that you can safely get the 85 gr silvertip to 1100 fps in a 3" BLOWBACK. getting 100 fps more, in a 1/2" shorter barrel, EASILY within the strength parameters of the locked breech 380. If you wanna rely upon something as feeble as a blowback 380, go for it. Go shoot some skunks, possums, etc with it, and watch them run off like they hit with .22's. Be ignorant and lazy, no skin off my arse. If you wouldn't be happy with the .22, the 380 blowback should give you no comfort at all, cause it aint ENOUGH more power to matter any.

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Old 06-15-2016, 11:02 AM   #8
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you make 100k plus per year, but having a spare, used $200 380 for practice is just beyond your capabilities? :-) Pay somebody to reload them for you, if you can't be bothered to load your own.. If you use Cast bullets, the cost will be about 20c per rd. That's nothing, since you brag about owning a dozen high dollar rifles.

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Old 06-15-2016, 11:05 AM   #9
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everyone, until shtf, has 10x as much need/use for a pocket auto than they have for ANY longarm, much less multiple centerfire auto rifles
 
Old 06-15-2016, 01:02 PM   #10
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EYE never agreed with this stupid bs with having to practice with what you carry. .
Are you saying DON'T practice with what you carry? That statement is right up there with your "A miss with a .44 Magnum is better than a hit with a .22."
 
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…EYE never said you get 50% increase in velocity with 50% increase in pressure. What I DID say was that you can safely get the 85 gr silvertip to 1100 fps in a 3" BLOWBACK. getting 100 fps more, in a 1/2" shorter barrel, EASILY within the strength parameters of the locked breech 380. If you wanna rely upon something as feeble as a blowback 380, go for it…
Ok, I’m lost again. I was talking about the 60-grain .32acp silvertip; which is what you said above, loading the silvertip 60-grainer to 1200fps:
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tempted to have wifey get a keltec P32, and just wear it on the back of her neck, under her hair.10 ozs, loaded, locked breech, handloaded to 200 ft lbs each, 1200+ fps with the 60 gr silvertip., 7 rd mag.
That’s where I got the “more than 130% increase in muzzle energy”; which is what happens with that bullet, changing from the factory ~785 fps up to 1200 fps. IE, more than doubling the power of the factory load, while using the same bullet.

If going to a lighter bullet, I can see major increases in ft/lbs due to velocity increases. But not following how to go from 780 fps up to 1200 fps in a given caliber, without changing bullets..?

{edit - to clarify, reason for my '50%' comments was your proposed velocity increase. Your 1200 fps is roughly 50% faster than 783 fps from the factory. Combined with your comment about the "50% overloads", which was the reason for my "50%" comment. You're actually the one who originally brought up both 50% increased velocity and 50% increased pressure.}

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Old 06-15-2016, 01:17 PM   #12
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you make 100k plus per year, but having a spare, used $200 380 for practice is just beyond your capabilities? :-) Pay somebody to reload them for you, if you can't be bothered to load your own.. If you use Cast bullets, the cost will be about 20c per rd. That's nothing, since you brag about owning a dozen high dollar rifles.
Holy wow; back to this again? Weeks ago, you specifically asked if I make $100k a year and I was gregarious enough to indulge you in an answering that personal of a question — and that answer was and is “no”, I don’t. So to claim that I do - after I specifically said I don't - is to call me a liar. Thing is, I know that what I said is true, so you claiming otherwise actually makes you the liar, doesn't it...

I’ve never bragged about “owning a dozen high dollar rifles”. I know this because I don’t own a dozen high dollar rifles. IE, you're a liar again. I do own more than a dozen rifles, but only half a dozen or so of them are even above “cheap”. My most-accurate .308 rifle is a savage 10FP that I bought for $379 NIB. I do have one relatively expensive AR. One. Liar.

I do reload and I do cast bullets; we’ve had this conversation before as well. You actually gave me grief about casting, saying that it wasn’t worth the time invested. I replied that I actually enjoyed it, so the time spent was like time spent reading a book or watching a movie; not meant to be a profit-center thing but a relaxation thing instead. Any of this ringing a bell?

Your rant here got me curious, so I looked up ambien and trazodone; which you say you take. Side effects of trazodone include 'agitation, confusion, and hallucinations'. Ambien side effects include 'dizziness, irritability, and confusion'. And that's when taken alone; there could be a whole other ballgame of side-effects when taken together. Might be worth asking your doc about your medications and possible adjustment.
 
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Short answer: This is why he's so upset with the VA. They monitor medications much more closely than your average clinic and won't give referral's on suspected drug abuse patients. Look at JMD's latest flurry of postings and then ask if he's not, shall we say, over medicated?
 
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