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Old 12-10-2020, 09:30 AM   #1
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Criminals and the guns they use

Somewhere I missed the part about "split nose" bullets.

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Old 12-10-2020, 09:45 AM   #2
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Nothing about a 10in. AR with a homemade falling apart can an 22 conversion. Or a ground on welded up Beretta.
 
Old 12-10-2020, 09:53 AM   #3
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Interesting. I wouldn't have guessed that 40+ percent wouldn't even fire (unloaded, broken, or loaded with the wrong ammo); I would have guessed more like 20-25% or so.
 
 
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Somewhere I missed the part about "split nose" bullets.
Only because they don't exist; that's the only reason. Other than being non-existent, they're great.
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Old 12-10-2020, 10:00 AM   #5
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Only because they don't exist; that's the only reason. Other than being non-existent, they're great.
 
Old 12-10-2020, 10:01 AM   #6
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Maybe, just maybe the criminals are smart enough to know better than take a dremel an hacksaw to their bullets.
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Old 12-10-2020, 10:10 AM   #7
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ballistic researchers, real PHD types are experimenting with all kinds of bullet designs. There's a reason these bullets don't exist or are not popular. (I recall seeing pre-fragmented bullets, and designs using three segments over the years)
 
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Numerous manufacturers have made segmented/separating ammo; we've all probably seen them. And for the most part, after making a massive initial splash in the market, they fall inevitably by the wayside.

For a few specific tasks like making multiple, albeit less individually effective wound channels, they can have some application. Critter rounds like CCI and Winchester's segementing 22 rimfire stuff, etc. Other than that, they get about no widespread acceptance, because they tend to suck for more normal uses. Like the G2 9mm RIP load, running 9 segments at 1300 fps. A bullet that breaks into 9 pieces sounds cool & sexy, but that just doesn't leave any given piece with much to work with. Only 360 ft/lbs (96 grains at ~1300fps) to work with, divided up like that, makes for some pretty weak pieces. People just can't seem to wrap their heads around that - that you're not hitting them with nine bullets, you're hitting them with one bullet broken up into nine fragments.

In something big like a shotgun, there's enough energy there to still be effective even after being subdivided like that. In a caliber that fits in a pocket pistol, there just isn't.
 
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Now you know that if Mell ever reads that he will not understand it an it will do no good to try an explain it to him.
 
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I think he may actually understand, but ego won't allow him to accept anything that wasn't spawned from his imagination...
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