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Old 07-01-2019, 02:26 PM   #1
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Curio & Relic, Pretty Much Gone

I just renewed my C&R license but the truth is the market is pretty dead. You might see some Russian Mosin-Nagant's or the odd Star show up, but other than that everything that is anything has been scooped up. At least I don't have to weep that I missed the Golden Age this time.
 
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Old 07-02-2019, 05:23 AM   #2
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Are there any American guns - old west guns or whatever - in that time frame that would be C&R eligible?
 
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Are there any American guns - old west guns or whatever - in that time frame that would be C&R eligible?
Technically any design that is over fifty years old can be classified as Curio & Relic. Yes, that makes the AR-15 C&R. The BATFE has a published list of C&R eligible firearms. The "Western" firearms are included. It's a bit confusing. For example the doubles stacked SA/DA CZ 82 made in the 1980's is C&R eligible, while the Ruger .22 made in 1950, is not. The C&R market is heavy into Military Surplus, not Western Antiques. Any gun of any type manufactured 100 years ago (not a Maxim Machine Gun) is not a "Gun" any longer. It can be bought and sold like a spinning wheel.
 
 
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No shortage up here in Canada, but you have to look for those that haven't had the bore shot out of them.
 
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No shortage up here in Canada, but you have to look for those that haven't had the bore shot out of them.
What's popular in Canada as far as C&R's go Garand?
 
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T...Any gun of any type manufactured 100 years ago (not a Maxim Machine Gun) is not a "Gun" any longer. It can be bought and sold like a spinning wheel.
I didn't realize that; I thought it was strictly a list-based thing. So if a person came across an old 1911 that was manufactured before 1919, it's automatically C&R?
 
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I didn't realize that; I thought it was strictly a list-based thing. So if a person came across an old 1911 that was manufactured before 1919, it's automatically C&R?
I'm no expert, but when I checked with BATFE on a Marini-Henry made in 1884 I was told anything made over 100 years ago was an "Antique" no longer considered a firearm.
 
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so what happens if you put a new barrel on an old receiver? The receiver is usually the firearm on a rifle, is it still C&R, or is it a new gun?
 
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You would have to ask the BATFE something like that. You can call them and they are (believe it or not) usually helpful and polite. They probably are set up for questions on line also.
 
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You know that reminds me of an argument I got into online. I bought a Yugo SKS but not with a C&R license. Just walked into the old Ozark Armory cherry picked one and bought it.
Then caught 20 kinds of hell about modifying it online even though I did it following 922r regs. I think I posted picks on Patriot Network but don't think so here.

And yeah I had my share of cherry picked imported milsurps. I miss them days at the old shop and that crusty curmudgeon that used to own it.
 
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What's popular in Canada as far as C&R's go Garand?
In the past year Garand's have jumped anywhere from $1,600 to $2,200 depending on condition. Swedish Mausers (unbutchered) go about $600. German Mausers $800-$1,000. SKS about $350-$500. Not all of the stuff in the market is in the best condition, so its buyer beware.
 
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In the past year Garand's have jumped anywhere from $1,600 to $2,200...
Good lord. Maybe I'm just a grumpy old cheapskate, but those ought to be $300 or so imo.
 
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Good lord. Maybe I'm just a grumpy old cheapskate, but those ought to be $300 or so imo.
Garand's for $300.00? I never saw them that cheap even 20 years ago. CMP did sell a lower grade for $450.00. A little rough, but good shooter's. Mine were $550.00 and $650.00, again that was two decades ago. $1200.00 is not unreasonable now even for a "Service Grade." I just did a quick check and CMP is still selling "Field Grade" M-1's for $650.00 to $980.00. These are described as "Rough, but shootable. Don't expect perfect stocks or metal finish." These are the rifles going for $1200.00 at shows and on-line. There's hoops to jump through getting a rifle from CMP.

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Probably never were that low, at least any time recently. Just seems like a lot of money for what it is. Not knocking them - they're a very capable gun. In their time, they were a game-changer, but that time was nearly a century ago. If it's a collector/nostalgia thing, I get that. But beyond a nostalgia/memorabilia aspect (and I love WW2 stuff), I just don't get the prices a lot of these things command. I have two SKS's; paid $59 (1992) and $139 (2002) for them. Bought two re-imported M1 carbines in 2001 (have since sold one of them), and paid $159 each.

Maybe it's just that I really AM an old cheapskate...
 
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I really miss the prices that were charged during the '80's & '90's. If we only knew.....
 
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Definitely. I had my FFL in the late 80's & early 90's, and as late as 1992 or 93 I was buying nib sks's for $39.
 
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Yeah shocking at the price differences in 20years plus all the panic buying.
 
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New in crate at the time. $100.00 each, free shipping with six.
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