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Old 05-05-2016, 11:50 AM   #1
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300 AAC or blackout is an expensive joke

it's a waste of $400, and then you pay 60c a rd, instead of 10c for a .22 rd. how is that a good idea? I dont like the idea of being required to have 1 in 7" rifling twist for the subsonic 223 rds, so I just figure on using the subsonic 60 gr Aquila .22 ammo, or have the sonic "crack" of the 223 sps thru the can. it's not that big a deal. there's a very limited number of scenarios that the pairing of subsonic 22 and canned 223 sp's can't handle. it's not worth it to me to risk having the 1 in 7 rifling not stabilize the regular high speed .22lr's for practice. I don't feel like blowing $200 on having the AR barrel swapped if the 1 in 7" proves to be problematic. Sure as hell aint bothering with 300 blackout upper, reloading dies, bullets, powder, blah, blah.

I value my free time. If it aint in bed, practicing karate or shooting, or teaching my gals, I consider it to be time wasted. I'd sure as hell never go back to 2 cavity moulds, Lyman sizer, or single station press, when there's such low-cost ways to produce 3x as many bullets or rds in the same time, and have the product be just as good, too.
 
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Old 05-05-2016, 11:56 AM   #2
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you can't just buy the upper, either. gotta buy dies, bullets, powder, another scope or optic, another set of LUMINOUS iron sights, So it winds up being another $800 or so, swapping the can back and forth, etc. That's ridiculous, just to gain maybe 100 yds of ability to quietly brain a sentry or guard dog. Odds are quite good that either sonic crack wont matter, or you can get within 50 yds and brain him with the subsonic 22.

and John I bet your salary is WAY over $30 an hour, actually. :-) To me, if I aint shooting 10k rds per year (pistol and rifle) I might as well not have a gun. that's a helluva lot of casting and reloading the slow way, but it's nothing much for skill building, with either hand, and both pistol and rifle. The wifey will be firing at least twice that much, on top of her .177 and airsoft training. 400 rds per week is nothing special, when you're set up properly. Just a couple of hours of casting and loading. but it's more like 7 hours if you're not (sort of) commerically-equipped to cast and load. Yes, such a setup costs about 1k, but it's 1k a lot better spent than on 300 AAC and components for same. :-)

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Old 05-05-2016, 01:02 PM   #3
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What is your problem with money? Go out and get a gawd damn job! I wanted a specific dedicated AR upper with a 16" barrel so I can shoot matches in the USA, as I can't bring my 14.5" barrel south. It cost me just over $1,000 after import duties and exchange. It is the price of doing business! You buy quality ONCE, cheap crap you buy 3 times. My practice ammo is done on a progressive, my match ammo is done on a single stage, it takes longer but there is better quality control and NO squib loads, personal preference.

So you are teaching shooting, does the law allow you to do that? What matches have you competed in so far this year? As for the .300 Blackout, last year I gave it some serious consideration, but with everything else I have on my plate at this time regarding shooting, I can't fit in another caliber at this time.
 
 
Old 05-05-2016, 01:30 PM   #4
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…there's a very limited number of scenarios that the pairing of subsonic 22 and canned 223 sp's can't handle.
Simple question — what scenarios can they handle, that the .300 can’t handle? If there are none, then all we’re talking about is cost; not capability.



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…I value my free time. If it aint in bed, practicing karate or shooting, or teaching my gals, I consider it to be time wasted.
You never watch TV or read a book? You never work? Your time here on armslocker is "wasted", yet you keep coming back..?


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…I'd sure as hell never go back to 2 cavity moulds, Lyman sizer, or single station press, when there's such low-cost ways to produce 3x as many bullets or rds in the same time, and have the product be just as good, too.
I use a progressive press and Lee six-cavity molds.


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you can't just buy the upper, either. gotta buy dies, bullets, powder, another scope or optic, another set of LUMINOUS iron sights, So it winds up being another $800 or so, swapping the can back and forth, etc. That's ridiculous, just to gain maybe 100 yds of ability to quietly brain a sentry or guard dog. Odds are quite good that either sonic crack wont matter, or you can get within 50 yds and brain him with the subsonic 22.
You don’t have to buy anything but the upper; that’s the biggest advantage of the .300BK over other AR rounds like the 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel.

Lost me on the “swapping the can back & forth”. I’m talking about using .300 vs .223, not using .300 and .223. Same with other stuff. You can take the optic, mounts, sling, BUIS, weapon light, etc off the old one if you want as well. I did buy new, but not at first; I wanted to get the feel of the gun first. You can buy a whole bunch of stuff for it, but you certainly don’t have to.


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…and John I bet your salary is WAY over $30 an hour, actually. :-)
No. But right now we’re more focused on building the business than on personal income, and to be fair I do drive a company vehicle. Also, living in rural arkansas means that money goes a lot further than it would in a lot of other places. Average personal income in arkansas is in the mid-30’s iirc, so it doesn’t take huge dollar amounts to have a higher-than-average standard of living.


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…400 rds per week is nothing special, when you're set up properly. Just a couple of hours of casting and loading. but it's more like 7 hours if you're not (sort of) commerically-equipped to cast and load. Yes, such a setup costs about 1k, but it's 1k a lot better spent than on 300 AAC and components for same. :-)
I’m not ‘commercially equipped’, but I do use a 20-lb bottom-pour pot and even that lets me cast well over 300 rounds per hour. I don’t bother with post-sizing since these are close-range speed-drill bullets so refining accuracy isn’t as critical as it might sometimes be; and BLL tumble-lubing takes less than a half hour per thousand.
 
Old 05-05-2016, 01:46 PM   #5
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...As for the .300 Blackout, last year I gave it some serious consideration, but with everything else I have on my plate at this time regarding shooting, I can't fit in another caliber at this time.
That's where I found myself for a long time too. But after going shooting one time with a friend of mine (guy called longgun1 on some forums) and using his select-fire Leonidas .300BK, integrally suppressed, I was sold; especially with the subsonic loads. They're crazy quiet yet are putting out more power than a .45acp govt model. That guy's light-years beyond me gear-wise. The thermal scope on his gun let us find recently-fired brass in the grass; that was pretty cool.

My .300 AR isn't integrally suppressed, it's a pretty typical 16" that lets me use a suppressor I already had. Same with the single-shot.

It'll probably never be my primary AR caliber, but I really like it so far. I even like the single-shot a lot; with no adapters or conversion kits it can give .30-30 power (with .30-30 noise), or .45acp power with pellet-gun noise.
 
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i bet you make over 100k per year, John. Am I right? :-)
 
Old 05-05-2016, 04:29 PM   #7
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i bet you make over 100k per year, John. Am I right? :-)
A - It's none of your business, and
B - No; you're wrong.

I mentioned Dave Ramsey sarcastically earlier, but his free podcast or webcast would be interesting to listen to if you never have. Handled smartly, a surprisingly average income can be grown into a million easily.

http://www.daveramsey.com/blog/inves...r/#/entry_form


Example I did there real quick (that is not me) - a family with a 70K income. Not a single person making 70k; total family income. Decide to live on 85% of it (which is still almost 60K) and invest the other 15%. Say they work from 18 years old to 63, or 45 years; but they did nothing for the first decade. Start with nothing at all, and simply invest that 15% in good funds at 6% (which is completely doable even now) for 35 years of producing an income. Total amount invested over 35 years is only a little over $300k in all. But even with a simple 6% interest rate, that 300k turns into more than quadruple that; over 1.2 million dollars.

Funny yet awesome thing about compound interest (which Einstein called 'the eighth wonder of the world') is what happens if there's more time.

If they did the same thing for 35 years, but then just left it alone on its own for another 10 without adding another penny to it, that 1.2 million turns into 2.2 million; $1 million (100K per-year) in growth without doing anything. "Eighth wonder" seems appropriate.

Again, that's not me. Most of ours is in our business which I'll not go into completely, but will go into more than I probably should. When we bought this alarm business over seven years ago, it had 340-something monitored customers at $20 per month; which was after 17 years in business. (Doesn't sound like a lot - 340 after 17 years, but there's turnover, customers move, customers die, there are jobs that don't result in monitored customers, etc; so it's not that bad actually. Additionally, it was started by a young-retired couple who weren't particularly aggressive.) We've marketed and grown aggressively, and I've gotten VERY involved in the community. Frankly, I'm not only in the local rotary club, next month I'm being sworn in as the president of the rotary club. People know us, our name, and our logo, much better now than they did then.

Short version, rather than 340 monitored customers at $20 per month, we now have over 650 monitored customers at $28 per month. No, that doesn't all go to me as income by any stretch. Partly because we have more overhead now including moving out of the rented strip-mall space and buying a 4200 sq/ft concrete & glass building on the busiest stretch of highway in the county; which in turn serves to both help with visibility to the public and also builds value - an owned commercial building vs. a rented space.

This isn't bragging by any stretch. If I wanted to brag or lie, I'd tell you how good-looking, smart, or well-hung I am; which would probably all be untrue...

Simply saying that it doesn't take massive income to create a decent nest egg. It just takes a plan and discipline. (And a german/irish/cherokee wife of 30+ years to keep me on the straight & narrow... )
 
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