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Old 06-16-2010, 11:53 AM   #1
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how many flint locks out there?

I've recently started reading about flint knapping and was wondering how many flintlock users are out there. I'm curious because I can make a rudimentary black powder from natural materials in the right geographic location (where as caps while I think I could make them in time looks a bit more complicated) and with the flint I could operate indefinately.

Any advice would be welcome too.
 
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Old 11-01-2010, 11:55 AM   #2
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Why bother? Very soon now, a mag-fed, dart-gun will be available. 1/2 second per shot, lethal to 25m (at least, not sure). At 15 seconds per shot, after changing a part, 50m of lethal range, minimum. Silent, reusable "ammo", make the ammo yourself if need be. no smoke, no corrosion, no missfiring, no blowing up self making powder, no hunting all over hell for the ingredients.

Just a silenced, ($50, used).22 autorifle makes more sense for shtf than any blackpowder arm. The latter make no sense at all for non felons, in "normal times". You can stock MANY thousands of 22's for the bulk, wt, and cost of blackpowder. The latter is horribly wasted on small critters.



 
Old 11-01-2010, 03:31 PM   #3
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I have no use for BP, and even less for flint locks.
 
 
Old 11-02-2010, 12:24 PM   #4
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no kidding, they suck. 70 grs of expensive powder, a 1/2 oz of lead, not much accuracy, all that fouling and worry about corrosion and misfiring, Sheesh. When a 22 suffices for nearly anything that's practical. If you'll put .22 ammo in a GI ammo can, with a proper gasket on the lid, it will be good for 50 years. There just wont be all that much to shoot at, a year after shtf.



 
Old 11-02-2010, 01:59 PM   #5
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I think I would attempt to salvage rusted berdan cases off the ground and cannibalized unorthodox powders and use homemade "reloaded" primer cups before I would ever consider BP anything. Don't even get me started on knapping flints for anything but a pre SHTF hobby. Hell, I'd use electrical ignition before a flint.
 
Old 11-02-2010, 02:03 PM   #6
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I'd use my dart guns, WAY ahead of any muzzleloader, cap or not, even if I DID have the caps and the blackpowder. now that I know how to make them feed out of a mag, and be accurate to boot, they are going to sell really well. Make your own "ammo", reuse it, silent, AP, practice at home, etc.



 
Old 11-02-2010, 04:47 PM   #7
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Yeah, why not? At least for use in the short term until you could get something better.

I can build a foundry and machine shop from scratch thanks to Dave Gingery.
Powder with a crock pot and car batteries using salt/sugar thanks to Ron Brown
Ragnar Benson type primers.

Even in the most extreme circumstances I'll still have arms and reloaded ammo.

With the billions of guns already in circulation, and machinist types with the know how, I just don't ever see the supply drying up.
Accept maybe as a plot device in sci-fi.

and I sure as hell don't ever see C&P muzzle loaders as being necessary.
Especially flint locks.

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Old 11-03-2010, 04:47 AM   #8
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Chippathingy,

That was useful info on Dave Gingery.

Flinty has a good post about them in SHTF senarios over on the SHTF arsenal thread.

Andy,

What's the name for the magazine fed dart gun you're talking about?
 
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Chippathingy,
Flinty has a good post about them in SHTF senarios over on the SHTF arsenal thread.
I'm sorry, which forum?

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Andy,

What's the name for the magazine fed dart gun you're talking about?
If I had to guess I'd say it sounds like the repeating crossbow/bolt gun in Kurt Saxon's Poor Man's James Bond books.

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Old 11-03-2010, 09:36 AM   #10
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I have no name for it as of yet. I've never seen the Saxon dart pcs, but from that idiot's ideas (that 50 men with slam-pipe shotguns can take on a dozen soldiers with m16's, I wouldn't bother to read anything else that he's written. If I had a bit of cover, I'd take on his 50 guys by myself, with one 30 rd mag and a semiauto Car-15. I'd hit 20 in 6 seconds, and the rest would run.



 
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I have no name for it as of yet. I've never seen the Saxon dart pcs, but from that idiot's ideas (that 50 men with slam-pipe shotguns can take on a dozen soldiers with m16's, I wouldn't bother to read anything else that he's written. If I had a bit of cover, I'd take on his 50 guys by myself, with one 30 rd mag and a semiauto Car-15. I'd hit 20 in 6 seconds, and the rest would run.
If I recall it wasn't his idea, but rather a reprint of an old ad.

He IS an idiot.
I talked to him on the phone once in the 90's.
I'm not surprised he's missing fingers from all his adolescent homemade explosives fumblings.
 
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Chippathingy,

Here is a link https://armslocker.com/survival/35309...arms-list.html to the thread in the survival forum concerning Flinter's post (page 1).

Kurt? You noticed he mainly copied and reprinted.

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Old 11-03-2010, 10:22 PM   #13
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Chippathingy,

Here is a link https://armslocker.com/survival/35309...arms-list.html to the thread in the survival forum concerning Flinter's post (page 1).

Kurt? You noticed he mainly copied and reprinted.
cool, thanks
 
Old 05-24-2014, 05:11 AM   #14
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All I have to say is WOW! Our freedom was won using flintlock rifles! I would match a PA rifle for accuracy against any 22 rifle out there today. Don't knock it till you've tried it. You people probably wouldn't shoot BPCR's either! Too much fouling......the most accurate rifle I own is a Sharps Long Range Express in 45/70 that has never seen smokeless powder. And by long range I mean 1000 yards with vernier sights!
 
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Love my Shilo Sharps #3 Sporting rifle in .45-70, I've done long range out to 500 meters due to the lack of longer ranges.
 
Old 06-03-2014, 11:17 PM   #16
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I have a flintlock pistol, picked it up at a gun show maybe 45 years ago. .69 caliber, great fun to shoot, but I wouldn't consider it as a survival tool.

I want to see one of those mag fed dart guns -- if such a thing exists outside of Gunkid's mind.

DC
 
Old 07-30-2014, 03:45 PM   #17
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Worked pretty well during The Revolutionary War!
 
Old 07-31-2014, 02:53 PM   #18
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I have been wanting to get into this but still going crazy with ARs and reloading lol
 
Old 03-15-2015, 05:45 AM   #19
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I bought my first flintlock back in 1979 and just recently acquired a 50 caliber Pennsylvania rifle. Fun to shoot!
 
Old 03-15-2015, 04:28 PM   #20
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I have been wanting to get one just never have =[[[
 
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